Meaning of the Verse: "...forgive and overlook…"

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11 March 2006 06:56

From here :


What is the meaning of the phrase in the verse: “But forgive and overlook, till Allaah brings His Command????


  Praise be to Allaah.

  Allaah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):

  “Many of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) wish that if they could turn you away as disbelievers after you have believed, out of envy from their ownselves, even after the truth (that Muhammad is Allaah’s Messenger) has become manifest unto them. But forgive and overlook, till Allaah brings His Command. Verily, Allaah is Able to do all things.???

  [al-Baqarah 2:109]

  In this verse Allaah states that many of the People of the Book wish that the Muslims would become disbelievers and apostates, out of hatred, resentment and envy, even though they know the truth and are certain of it.

(* Comment by me: I am certain, as well as every non-Muslim here is certain, that it is not the truth! See how the Qur'an even tells Muslims what we supposedly believe, and this sheikh, along with every hardcore Muslim, believe this is the case - that we KNOW Islam is the truth, but reject it simply out of pride. That's why we are called "kaafirs", from the root word "kafara" - to cover - we knowingly cover the truth. Unbelievable, I know.)

But despite that, Allaah commanded the believers to forgive and overlook. This was for many reasons, such as the desire that they might be guided and the truth might becomes clear to them, and because the Muslims were preoccupied with their war against Quraysh. Wisdom dictated that they should focus on confronting only one enemy. Allaah stated that this forgiveness and overlooking was for a certain length of time, until the command of Allaah came to the Muslims giving them permission to fight.

  The word ya’ti (comes) here means: comes, is issued, is revealed – i.e., until the command of Allaah comes down to them.

  The command came from Allaah after that to fight them, as Ibn ‘Abbaas, Qataadah, al-Rabee’ and others said.

  Al-Tabari (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in his Tafseer (1/534): “forgive??? means to let them off for bad treatment and the wrong things that they say about your religion, intending to divert you away from it and to make you apostatize after you have believed. And because of what they said to your Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) previously: “ ‘Hear and let you (O Muhammad) hear nothing.’ And Raa‘ina [Raa‘ina: means in Arabic “Be careful, listen to us, and we listen to you???, whereas in Hebrew, it means “an insult???] with a twist of their tongues and as a mockery of the religion (Islam)??? [al-Nisa’ 4:46]. Overlook any ignorance on their part until the command of Allaah comes, for He may command you as He wills. Then the decree came and His command came. He said to His Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and those who believed in him (interpretation of the meaning):

  “Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allaah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allaah and His Messenger (Muhammad), (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued??? [al-Tawbah 9:29]

  Then he narrated that al-Rabee’ said concerning the words “But forgive and overlook, till Allaah brings His Command???: Forgive the people of the Book until Allaah issues His command concerning them, then after that Allaah issued His command and said: “Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allaah, (2) nor in the Last Day, … until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued??? [al-Tawbah 9:29]

  End quote.

  Ibn al-Jawzi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in Zaad al-Maseer (1/132): With regard to the words of Allaah, “till Allaah brings His Command???, Ibn ‘Abbaas said: Allaah brought His command concerning al-Nadeer, that they be expelled, and concerning Qurayzah that they be killed and taken captive. End quote.

  And Allaah knows best.

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(* another example of how Islam begins with peace and ends in war…)

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12 March 2006 05:11

613   Muhammad Takes his Message Public

After several similar experiences, Muhammad finally began to reveal the messages he was receiving to his tribe. These were gathered verse by verse and later would become the Qur’an, Islam’s sacred scripture. In the next decade, Muhammad and his followers were first belittled and ridiculed, then persecuted and physically attacked for departing from traditional Mecca’s tribal ways. Muhammad’s message was resolutely monotheistic. For several years, the the Quraysh, Mecca’s dominant tribe, levied a ban on trade with Muhammad’s people, subjecting them to near famine conditions. Toward the end of the decade, Muhammad’s wife and uncle both died. Finally, the leaders of Mecca attempted to assassinate Muhammad.  


622   Muhammad and the Muslims Emigrate to Medina

In 622, Muhammad and his few hundred followers left Mecca and traveled to Yathrib, the oasis town where his father was buried. The leaders there were suffering through a vicious civil war, and they had invited this man well known for his wisdom to act as their mediator. Yathrib soon became known as Medina, the City of the Prophet. Muhammad remained here for the next six years, building the first Muslim community and gradually gathering more and more people to his side. 

  625-628   The Military Period

The Meccans did not take Muhammad’s new success lightly. Early skirmishes led to three major battles in the next three years. Of these the Muslims won the first (the Battle of Badr, March, 624), lost the second (the Battle of Uhud, March, 625), and outlasted the third, (The Battle of the Trench and the Siege of Medina, April, 627). In March, 628, a treaty was signed between the two sides, which recognized the Muslims as a new force in Arabia and gave them freedom to move unmolested throughout Arabia. Meccan allies breached the treaty a year later. 


  630   The Conquest of Mecca

By now, the balance of power had shifted radically away from once-powerful Mecca, toward Muhammad and the Muslims. In January, 630, they marched on Mecca and were joined by tribe after tribe along the way. They entered Mecca without bloodshed and the Meccans, seeing the tide had turned, joined them.

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13 March 2006 09:34

Guest, see my answer to the “bloodless” conquest of Mecca here .

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18 March 2006 17:19

Sounds like Allah was as full of shit as Yahweh.  That’s because some dude in the desert was writing that stuff. 

God writes books - that’s rich.  And like Sam says, He’s not such a great author, but He created the universe.  OF COURSE RELIGION IS BULLSHIT!  That isn’t the freaking point.

Here’s the thing - too many people think that just because we can poke a hole in the Koran or the Bible that God can’t possibly exist.  Where’s the “logic” in that?

Try to take your little mind all the way to the level of an eternal Creator.  I know, you can’t but just try.  Now think about why He would give a big crap if you believe in Him or not?  Think hard.  I know, it hurts. 

See, the cool thing is that if He does exist, you and I still don’t matter all that much.  We should maybe get over ourselves, huh?