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01 June 2011 10:03
 

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01 June 2011 14:35
 

Is that supposed to be meaningful or inspiring?

 
 
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01 June 2011 14:56
 

“I then beg you to pacify my soul.”
  “Produce it, and I shall do so.”

Wise indeed.  But 9 years sitting in front of a wall? A severed hand just to arrive at this obvious truth? Still, I guess it was not obvious in those days.

 
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Die fröhliche Wissenschaft - 01 June 2011 12:56 PM

“I then beg you to pacify my soul.”
  “Produce it, and I shall do so.”

Wise indeed.  But 9 years sitting in front of a wall? A severed hand just to arrive at this obvious truth? Still, I guess it was not obvious in those days.

Indeed, who would be inspired by such fools.

 
 
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01 June 2011 15:34
 

Yup, maybe some folks just need to suffer more intensely and for longer than others before they get it. IMO, our job, as moral beings, is to try to reduce the intensity and length of their suffering. I think real knowledge born of rationality is the best way to do that; the best way to help them see the truth faster.

 
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Black Heart General - 01 June 2011 01:28 PM
Die fröhliche Wissenschaft - 01 June 2011 12:56 PM

“I then beg you to pacify my soul.”
  “Produce it, and I shall do so.”

Wise indeed.  But 9 years sitting in front of a wall? A severed hand just to arrive at this obvious truth? Still, I guess it was not obvious in those days.

Sometimes the difference between knowing and understanding is measured in time and suffering.

“Ignorance is servitude and knowledge brings hope, but only understanding is freedom.”  Idries Shah

 
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03 June 2011 03:21
 

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stardust91977 - 03 June 2011 01:24 AM

Ok, that was a complete over-reaction. I’m sorry.

Just lost a fight to save to a patient from being moved from their house to a rack ass nursing facility and was being pissy.

Again. I’m sorry.

It’s OK, Star. We all have bad days. But do remember that those who work in labs are human, too, they suffer and have bad days and all the other normal probelms others have. Before I was a lawyer I was a teacher and before that I was a nurse so I have seen a bit of suffering myself. My hope is that I will never end up in a long nursing facility. I have my plans in place to avoid such a horrid end. Death should be accomplished quickly, simply and painlessly.

Have a good day.

 
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03 June 2011 11:46
 

I just lost my battle to help a friend whose husband is hospitalized with Alzheimers.  His life isn’t miserable enough, and the doctors want to give him chemotherapy for his newly diagnosed cancer.  It’s turned into a big legal mess.

 
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03 June 2011 15:29
 

Stardust: If I recall correctly, you used to be a caregiver and went through a burnout, didn’t you?

Long story, but, I led a support group for people with mental illness of one kind or another.  I didn’t burn out.  I became emotionally involved with many of the members of the group, and when one killed himself, I crashed and burned. . It’s more complicated than that, but that’s the basic story.  I wish I had a tougher personality because society’s treatment of the mentally ill is disgraceful and I’d like to get involved in hospital care programs, but I don’t have the emotional strength to do it.  I’d like to help people recognize that they are not powerless…that there are techniques and strategies for dealing with mental illness if you can learn detachment and objectivity. I would stress cognitive therapy, meditation, and fellowhip with other sufferers….sort of like AA.  Of course, this would not work with extremely deranged people, but, it would help many patients who are plagued by symptoms, but who are nevertheless capable of recognizing they have an illness, but are not their illness.  From my experience, all that is done for the mentally ill is give them medication, then send them out the door.

As for the Alzheimer’s victim with cancer…the patient is not cabable of making the decision to undergo treatment and his wife is also frail and has recurring bouts with mental illness, so she is not considered competent.  As you may have guessed, this woman is one of the people iwho was in my group. So, they are going to give him chemo because it is against the law not to treat someone.  Crazy. He’s miserable as it is, crying to go home every day.  Now he is going to be sick and confused.  Sounds like Hell to me and it just doesn’t make sense. considering that he is elderly.  Where are those death panels when you need them?

 
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Sigh - 03 June 2011 01:29 PM

Stardust: If I recall correctly, you used to be a caregiver and went through a burnout, didn’t you?

Long story, but, I led a support group for people with mental illness of one kind or another.  I didn’t burn out.  I became emotionally involved with many of the members of the group, and when one killed himself, I crashed and burned. . It’s more complicated than that, but that’s the basic story.  I wish I had a tougher personality because society’s treatment of the mentally ill is disgraceful and I’d like to get involved in hospital care programs, but I don’t have the emotional strength to do it.  I’d like to help people recognize that they are not powerless…that there are techniques and strategies for dealing with mental illness if you can learn detachment and objectivity. I would stress cognitive therapy, meditation, and fellowhip with other sufferers….sort of like AA.  Of course, this would not work with extremely deranged people, but, it would help many patients who are plagued by symptoms, but who are nevertheless capable of recognizing they have an illness, but are not their illness.  From my experience, all that is done for the mentally ill is give them medication, then send them out the door.

As for the Alzheimer’s victim with cancer…the patient is not cabable of making the decision to undergo treatment and his wife is also frail and has recurring bouts with mental illness, so she is not considered competent.  As you may have guessed, this woman is one of the people iwho was in my group. So, they are going to give him chemo because it is against the law not to treat someone.  Crazy. He’s miserable as it is, crying to go home every day.  Now he is going to be sick and confused.  Sounds like Hell to me and it just doesn’t make sense. considering that he is elderly.  Where are those death panels when you need them?

Kevorkian, who just died, had it right. There is a time when ending one’s own life simply becomes the right thing to do.

 
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03 June 2011 18:04
 
Ecurb Noselrub - 03 June 2011 02:43 PM

Kevorkian, who just died, had it right. There is a time when ending one’s own life simply becomes the right thing to do.

In his book, ‘LIFE ASCENDING - The Ten Great Inventions of Evolution’ - Nick Lane begins the last chapter (DEATH) with this paragraph:

“It’s said that money can’t buy happiness.  But Croesus, King of Lydia in ancient times, was rich as . . . Croesus, and thought himself the happiest of men.  Seeking avowal from the Athenian statesman Solon, then passing through his lands, Croesus was irritated to be told, ‘Count no man happy until he be dead’; for who can predict what Fate holds in store?  And it so happened that Croesus, acting on an archetypically ambiguous oracle from Delphi, was captured by Cyrus, the Great King of Persia, and bound to a pyre to be burned alive.  Yet instead of berating the gods for his excruciating end, Croesus murmured the name ‘Solon’.  Mystified, Cyrus enquired what he had meant, and was told of Solon’s counsel.  Realising that he, too, was a puppet of fortune, Cyrus had Croesus cut down (others say that Apollo came to is aid with a thunderstorm) and appointed him as an adviser.

Dying well meant a great deal to the Greeks. . .”  (end quote from ‘LIFE ASCENDING’ by Nick Lane)

Speaking of Kevorkian, and thinking of how he was so roundly condemned, it has always puzzled me why most of us can comfortably (albeit with sorrow) take our beloved pets to the vet’s to be ‘put to sleep’ when it becomes clear that their suffering outweighs their enjoyment of life.

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03 June 2011 18:10
 

Yup, its a complete double standard born of religious irrationality. ‘Dr Death’ was a good man. He cared about people’s suffering and sought to alleviate it. Others try to perpetuate it. The religious, after having given themselves a hard time, see no reason why others should get off easy.

 
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