Pornstar survey?

 
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07 June 2011 12:25
 

I’m the sort of person who thinks people should be allowed to do whatever they like as long as the foreseeable consequences of their actions don’t hurt anyone else. That’s sort of my moral platform, I guess, and I’m not here to split hairs about this.

I have however decided not to form an opinion about anything that’s not based on solid facts anymore. And I’m not here to split hairs about what a fact really is or what we can really ever know about anything. I’m talking about the kind of facts you get from the big numbers of statistics.

There’s a lot of porn in this world and some people have the opinion that porn is a bad thing and allegedly not because the mere depiction of sex makes them feel shame but because the people involved are suffering. Ok. That’s a hypothesis, I guess. Has it ever been tested? Do they like their jobs? Dislike their jobs? Feel oppressed? How about asking prostitutes the same things? And so forth. We can all imagine lots of questions about these things, right?

I’m not interested in anyone’s heartfelt accusations, anecdotes or general goble-di-gook about this. Has these questions been tested and if they haven’t, well then isn’t it about time?

 
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05 April 2013 19:18
 

Each person involved in creating porn will have different motivations. Money, sex, fun, experience, boredom, physical pleasure, exploration:a person could do porn for one or all of these reasons. I’m sure some do feel like they are suffering, but others will find it liberating and just another part of exploring their sexuality. I think the same applies to prostitutes. I don’t feel a need to survey these people’s motivations because the motivations are going to be very complex and diverse and I don’t see why their motivations should contribute to whether it should be legal or illegal.

 
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06 April 2013 12:20
 
Bipedal Primate - 07 June 2011 10:25 AM

I’m the sort of person who thinks people should be allowed to do whatever they like as long as the foreseeable consequences of their actions don’t hurt anyone else. That’s sort of my moral platform, I guess, and I’m not here to split hairs about this.

I have however decided not to form an opinion about anything that’s not based on solid facts anymore. And I’m not here to split hairs about what a fact really is or what we can really ever know about anything. I’m talking about the kind of facts you get from the big numbers of statistics.

There’s a lot of porn in this world and some people have the opinion that porn is a bad thing and allegedly not because the mere depiction of sex makes them feel shame but because the people involved are suffering. Ok. That’s a hypothesis, I guess. Has it ever been tested? Do they like their jobs? Dislike their jobs? Feel oppressed? How about asking prostitutes the same things? And so forth. We can all imagine lots of questions about these things, right?

I’m not interested in anyone’s heartfelt accusations, anecdotes or general goble-di-gook about this. Has these questions been tested and if they haven’t, well then isn’t it about time?

Some thoughts:

Amendment 1 of our constitution uses what they refer to as “content-neutral” restrictions when regulating strip clubs and other sex-related stores. Because the courts decided said regulations are “content neutral,” it gives them the right to regulate “the time, manner, and place of operation.” The courts reason that the “secondary affects” of these types of establishments negatively affect the community they reside. Justification of negative affect is generally in the form of statistics which correlate these types of establishments with increased crime, more community disruptions, etc. The point is to use the statistics in order to keep the process objective. However, too often negative behavior is generalized.

Now, this refers to establishments. There is a lot of grey area between a dude masturbating at home and a strip club. As far as masturbation, one physiological problem that is popping up a lot is Densensitation. But new research proves there to be a tenuous relation between access and onset, meaning there are a plethora of other variable to consider.

[ Edited: 06 April 2013 12:26 by Jb8989]
 
 
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06 April 2013 15:15
 

I can understand the zoning and regulation of porn studios, strip clubs and brothels based on the negative statistical impact on a community (it’s already done). I guess I’m not sure if Bipedal wants to know if the people involved are “suffering” to decide legality or if Bipedal wants to determine if these things “hurt anyone else”.

 
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06 April 2013 15:43
 

In the OP I believe Bipedal was refering to the porn stars themselves and the effect of porn on thier lives.  In that light I would offer a cautionary tale on where you get your information, and I will give the worst example I can think of. 

Geraldo Revira had a TV interview show, the origin of ‘Trash TV’ and I would get home from work in time to scan the upcomeing programs and occasionally Geraldo would anounce a topic that I decided to watch.  On one show he was interviewing high class prostitutes with about 4 “prostitutes being interviewed.  On another show he was talking about the evils of “The Chicken Ranch” a legal brothel, and was interviewing the wives of men who had frequented the brothel and was emphasizing how the actions of these men was hurting others.  After watching awhile I noticed that the one wife was the same woman who had been a prostitute in the other show.  Just proved again what I already knew that Geraldo used a cast of characters to pose in certain roles and the show was all a fake. 

I told you that story so I could tell you this one.

On another show Geraldo was interviewing Hyapatia Lee, who is part Native American.  Geraldo tried every ploy he could to make Hyapatia look like a bad person for being in porn but she refuted everything.  Hyapatia is an attractive woman and very intelligent and Geraldo had met his match.  At one point Geraldo had a member of the audience stand up wearing a collar and waving a Bible saying how what she was doing was a sin.  Hyapatia calmly informed that they were living in America where we enjoyed the freedom of Religion and according to Hyapatia’s ‘Mother Earth Goddess’ her activities were OK, at which point Geraldo waved the man to sit down and tried something else. 

Not all sources are going to be as bogus as Geraldo, but many times the source of the data will have an agenda and that will bias the information.  In a Statistics course I took once, the professor said “Give a good stastician the raw data, and he can prove anything you want”.

[ Edited: 06 April 2013 15:47 by bardoXV]
 
 
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06 April 2013 15:52
 

Yellow journalism can also be a blessing, bardo. Gerald’o part in ameliorating deplorable treatment of mentally disabled people makes him a hero in the eyes of many, including me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willowbrook_State_School

 
 
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06 April 2013 15:57
 
nonverbal - 06 April 2013 01:52 PM

Yellow journalism can also be a blessing, bardo. Gerald’o part in ameliorating deplorable treatment of mentally disabled people makes him a hero in the eyes of many, including me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willowbrook_State_School

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