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27 January 2016 08:45
 

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28 January 2016 02:57
 

assuming everything in the article is true (though basically all of it is other’s peoples opinions, nothing more), that would still make Maajid Nawaz a perfect candidate as a moderate Muslim go-between:

in the above link, he is portrayed as a career seeker, someone who thought he could get the most out of life by rinsing through the ranks of a not-to-radical Islamic organization. And when that failed he decided to go the other way and become a career moderate and communicator.

In either case, we have an intelligent guy who, not out of any conviction but out of enlightened self-interest, aborted his slide into religious violence and became secular instead.
I think that is a perfect role-model for plenty of Muslims: think about yourself first and not any ideology.

 
 
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28 January 2016 10:04
 

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I’m not sure, Nic.
I’m sure there are plenty of young Muslims who would love to just live in secular societies and not be overly concerned with religion. But they (rightly) fear being branded apostates and sell-outs.
If Narwaz manages to keep a sufficient number of Muslim supporters, his way would represent a viable alternative.

 
 
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30 January 2016 09:28
 

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30 January 2016 12:36
 

“in the above link, he is portrayed as a career seeker, someone who thought he could get the most out of life by rinsing through the ranks of a not-to-radical Islamic organization. And when that failed he decided to go the other way and become a career moderate and communicator.

In either case, we have an intelligent guy who, not out of any conviction but out of enlightened self-interest, aborted his slide into religious violence and became secular instead. “

This spin of interpretation of the data is just Nathan Lean’s opinion about what the data means.  Why would a Sam Harris fan slavishly go along with the opinion of one of Sam Harris’s enemies? LOL

What this Nathan Lean article is is basically two things:

1. data about Nawaz

2. interpretations by Lean of the data.

The data is mostly the impressions and recollections of those who have known Nawaz—most ostensibly very well (a brother, a fellow terrorist who shared years of prison time with him in Egypt; etc.).  The data by itself (without the helpfully obfuscating interpretations overlaid by Lean) indicates that Nawaz is lying about his Damascus experience that supposedly transformed him from being an anti-West jihadist into being a pro-West “reformer”. 

The only way out of this indication of the data is to spin its purport with the intepretation helpfully supplied by Sam Harris’s enemy, Nathan Lean (Reza Aslan’s “gunsel,” as Robert Spencer has amusingly called him)—and then, even then (!), we see a Sam Harris/Nawaz Fan above (the reliably airheaded “Twissel”) find a way to still find in Nawaz our Great Brown Hope to help us solve the problem his Islam is causing all of us:

In either case, we have an intelligent guy who, not out of any conviction but out of enlightened self-interest, aborted his slide into religious violence and became secular instead.
I think that is a perfect role-model for plenty of Muslims: think about yourself first and not any ideology.

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