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03 July 2019 09:11
 
GAD - 03 July 2019 09:02 AM
Jefe - 03 July 2019 08:49 AM
GAD - 02 July 2019 06:47 PM

When a man and women have consensual sex and it results in pregnancy agree that the man has the same rights as the women to decide if it is carried to term or terminated.

Just as soon as the man in this scenario shoulders an equal amount of responsibility during the nine months of pregnancy, including the possibility of permanent health changes and death.

So again you have nothing and just provide sound bites.

 

/shrug
If you say so.

 
 
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03 July 2019 09:19
 
Jefe - 03 July 2019 09:11 AM
GAD - 03 July 2019 09:02 AM
Jefe - 03 July 2019 08:49 AM
GAD - 02 July 2019 06:47 PM

When a man and women have consensual sex and it results in pregnancy agree that the man has the same rights as the women to decide if it is carried to term or terminated.

Just as soon as the man in this scenario shoulders an equal amount of responsibility during the nine months of pregnancy, including the possibility of permanent health changes and death.

So again you have nothing and just provide sound bites.

 

/shrug
If you say so.

The woman can decide those things and the man has to pay for it but not the reverse, so your answer is, no, men don’t have equal rights. But like everyone else here you are to scared shitless to state an actual position and instead will fill a 100 pages with excuses and legal ease bullshit to make sure you can’t be held to any actual answer.

 
 
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03 July 2019 09:32
 
GAD - 03 July 2019 09:19 AM
Jefe - 03 July 2019 09:11 AM
GAD - 03 July 2019 09:02 AM
Jefe - 03 July 2019 08:49 AM
GAD - 02 July 2019 06:47 PM

When a man and women have consensual sex and it results in pregnancy agree that the man has the same rights as the women to decide if it is carried to term or terminated.

Just as soon as the man in this scenario shoulders an equal amount of responsibility during the nine months of pregnancy, including the possibility of permanent health changes and death.

So again you have nothing and just provide sound bites.

 

/shrug
If you say so.

The woman can decide those things and the man has to pay for it but not the reverse, so your answer is, no, men don’t have equal rights. But like everyone else here you are to scared shitless to state an actual position and instead will fill a 100 pages with excuses and legal ease bullshit to make sure you can’t be held to any actual answer.

My position is clearly stated above.

When the male shoulders the same risks and burdens as the female, he should definitely have equal rights.
Otherwise we obtain a system of temporary reproductive slavery where a woman may be forced to bear the risks and burdens of a pregnancy at the legal insistence of a man, who does not in any way share those risks and burdens.  Risks to the woman that include possible permanent bodily change and possible death.

As for the man paying, there’s an obvious and easy answer to that.
It is a plain case of removal of autonomy from the woman. (Or women in general.)

 
 
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03 July 2019 10:15
 
Jefe - 03 July 2019 09:32 AM
GAD - 03 July 2019 09:19 AM
Jefe - 03 July 2019 09:11 AM
GAD - 03 July 2019 09:02 AM
Jefe - 03 July 2019 08:49 AM
GAD - 02 July 2019 06:47 PM

When a man and women have consensual sex and it results in pregnancy agree that the man has the same rights as the women to decide if it is carried to term or terminated.

Just as soon as the man in this scenario shoulders an equal amount of responsibility during the nine months of pregnancy, including the possibility of permanent health changes and death.

So again you have nothing and just provide sound bites.

 

/shrug
If you say so.

The woman can decide those things and the man has to pay for it but not the reverse, so your answer is, no, men don’t have equal rights. But like everyone else here you are to scared shitless to state an actual position and instead will fill a 100 pages with excuses and legal ease bullshit to make sure you can’t be held to any actual answer.

My position is clearly stated above.

When the male shoulders the same risks and burdens as the female, he should definitely have equal rights.
Otherwise we obtain a system of temporary reproductive slavery where a woman may be forced to bear the risks and burdens of a pregnancy at the legal insistence of a man, who does not in any way share those risks and burdens.  Risks to the woman that include possible permanent bodily change and possible death.

As for the man paying, there’s an obvious and easy answer to that.
It is a plain case of removal of autonomy from the woman. (Or women in general.)

Bullshit and obfuscation, you pull out an extreme example and then claim you have answered something clearly. Yes or no, it’s that simple and that easy to be fucking clear!

 
 
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03 July 2019 12:06
 

https://www.amazon.com/Why-Sex-Fun-Evolution-Sexuality/dp/0465031269  (by Jared Diamond - he of Guns, Germs, and Steel)

Today, seeing what it costs to raise a child in ‘civilized’ society, maybe JD’s next book will be called, ‘Why Sex Is No Longer Fun’.  Would our next of kin in the primate world be so fancy free if, after one of their quickies, they knew what was expected of them for the next 22 years?

 
 
 
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03 July 2019 18:40
 
unsmoked - 03 July 2019 12:06 PM

https://www.amazon.com/Why-Sex-Fun-Evolution-Sexuality/dp/0465031269  (by Jared Diamond - he of Guns, Germs, and Steel)

Today, seeing what it costs to raise a child in ‘civilized’ society, maybe JD’s next book will be called, ‘Why Sex Is No Longer Fun’.  Would our next of kin in the primate world be so fancy free if, after one of their quickies, they knew what was expected of them for the next 22 years?

More like 42 or more. Kids have kids who demand attention.

 
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04 July 2019 12:09
 
EN - 03 July 2019 06:40 PM
unsmoked - 03 July 2019 12:06 PM

https://www.amazon.com/Why-Sex-Fun-Evolution-Sexuality/dp/0465031269  (by Jared Diamond - he of Guns, Germs, and Steel)

Today, seeing what it costs to raise a child in ‘civilized’ society, maybe JD’s next book will be called, ‘Why Sex Is No Longer Fun’.  Would our next of kin in the primate world be so fancy free if, after one of their quickies, they knew what was expected of them for the next 22 years?

More like 42 or more. Kids have kids who demand attention.

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07 August 2019 17:43
 

At a first glance this footage looked to me like Godzilla.  It wasn’t.  Zombie Apocalypse?  Nope.  Free samples at Dunkin’ Donuts?  I guess nobody thinks of a motorcycle backfiring anymore.  The sympathetic nervous system triggers the mass shooting response.  People Times Panic Squared.  Quel dommage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRQyu66zGE4

 
 
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07 August 2019 19:27
 
LadyJane - 07 August 2019 05:43 PM

At a first glance this footage looked to me like Godzilla.  It wasn’t.  Zombie Apocalypse?  Nope.  Free samples at Dunkin’ Donuts?  I guess nobody thinks of a motorcycle backfiring anymore.  The sympathetic nervous system triggers the mass shooting response.  People Times Panic Squared.  Quel dommage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRQyu66zGE4

Perhaps the motorcycle driver was deliberately backfiring the bike near large crowds to get the reaction, since a friend visiting New York City reported a similar panic when she was at Madison Square Garden yesterday.

Here is a video of the NRA’s desired outcome:  https://youtu.be/RrTTwzrf7Wo

 
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08 August 2019 12:36
 
Skipshot - 07 August 2019 07:27 PM
LadyJane - 07 August 2019 05:43 PM

At a first glance this footage looked to me like Godzilla.  It wasn’t.  Zombie Apocalypse?  Nope.  Free samples at Dunkin’ Donuts?  I guess nobody thinks of a motorcycle backfiring anymore.  The sympathetic nervous system triggers the mass shooting response.  People Times Panic Squared.  Quel dommage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRQyu66zGE4

Perhaps the motorcycle driver was deliberately backfiring the bike near large crowds to get the reaction, since a friend visiting New York City reported a similar panic when she was at Madison Square Garden yesterday.

Here is a video of the NRA’s desired outcome:  https://youtu.be/RrTTwzrf7Wo

Could a firecracker kill 700 people?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSIyFCiZceQ

 
 
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08 August 2019 14:43
 
unsmoked - 08 August 2019 12:36 PM
Skipshot - 07 August 2019 07:27 PM
LadyJane - 07 August 2019 05:43 PM

At a first glance this footage looked to me like Godzilla.  It wasn’t.  Zombie Apocalypse?  Nope.  Free samples at Dunkin’ Donuts?  I guess nobody thinks of a motorcycle backfiring anymore.  The sympathetic nervous system triggers the mass shooting response.  People Times Panic Squared.  Quel dommage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRQyu66zGE4

Perhaps the motorcycle driver was deliberately backfiring the bike near large crowds to get the reaction, since a friend visiting New York City reported a similar panic when she was at Madison Square Garden yesterday.

Here is a video of the NRA’s desired outcome:  https://youtu.be/RrTTwzrf7Wo

Could a firecracker kill 700 people?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSIyFCiZceQ

Crowds can be nerve wracking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF_E10e4Bzo

 
 
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08 August 2019 15:04
 

Whoops. . .  My friend was near Times Square.  Disregard my previous post.

 
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09 August 2019 20:00
 

This week’s ICE raids in Mississippi has me pondering again how these officers can continue to do their jobs under such a corrupt administration.  Do they tell themselves that they’re just doing their jobs and it’s not their responsibility to judge?  A relinquishment of individual conscience?  Can they leave the job behind when they go home and hug their own kids after separating other parents from theirs?  How long does it take to harden your heart to crying children?

 
 
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09 August 2019 21:55
 
Jan_CAN - 09 August 2019 08:00 PM

This week’s ICE raids in Mississippi has me pondering again how these officers can continue to do their jobs under such a corrupt administration.  Do they tell themselves that they’re just doing their jobs and it’s not their responsibility to judge?  A relinquishment of individual conscience?  Can they leave the job behind when they go home and hug their own kids after separating other parents from theirs?  How long does it take to harden your heart to crying children?

They tell themselves illegals are low-life scum who have no feelings.  Do you remember the news report a couple weeks ago about uncovering the closed Facebook group of ICE agents who dehumanized Latinos?

 
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09 August 2019 22:05
 
Skipshot - 09 August 2019 09:55 PM
Jan_CAN - 09 August 2019 08:00 PM

This week’s ICE raids in Mississippi has me pondering again how these officers can continue to do their jobs under such a corrupt administration.  Do they tell themselves that they’re just doing their jobs and it’s not their responsibility to judge?  A relinquishment of individual conscience?  Can they leave the job behind when they go home and hug their own kids after separating other parents from theirs?  How long does it take to harden your heart to crying children?

They tell themselves illegals are low-life scum who have no feelings.  Do you remember the news report a couple weeks ago about uncovering the closed Facebook group of ICE agents who dehumanized Latinos?

I didn’t see that news report, but sadly it doesn’t surprise me that they dehumanize them.

 
 
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