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The Truth About America’s Survival | Demographics and the 2016 Election

 
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30 October 2016 14:31
 

Something for Libertarians to consider: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN_FOCF3vIQ

 
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30 October 2016 16:26
 

Could only handle 9:01.  When he got to “white people blah, blah, blah white people blah, blah, blah white people” I realized I’ve heard this song many times before.

And being born in America to immigrant parents is not “foreign born”, it’s American.

Interestingly, I was trying to eat a fruit salad when I started watching; you know, a mixture of several varieties all contributing a unique flavor to the blend.

I dare say that the GOP would be in much better shape today had they seriously tackled immigration 20 years ago instead of just using it as a dog whistle.  It’s never too late to start, but I would wager that the party is probably another twenty years away from seriously tackling the issue of immigration.

 
 
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30 October 2016 17:38
 

Made it to 4.07.  You have more patience than I do.

 
 
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30 October 2016 19:59
 

Made it to a little past 5:00. He started off well, discussing factual claims vs. opinions, promised facts, and then quickly devolved to opinions.

So, in the spirit of fair play, I’ll call TLDL… can the OPer summarize this hour long video?

 
 
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30 October 2016 20:15
 

So things change. I guess we better get used to it. Oh wait don’t get used to it because things change.

Very few organisms on this planet that exist where they currently range today originated there. The planet is a closed system, migration- immigration is inevitable.

When we think the way things are is the way things have always been and therefore “should” always be—there is always disappointment.

I made it through 4 minutes by the way. 

 
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31 October 2016 05:13
 

You guys couldn’t watch more than 10 minutes of this before getting triggered by the facts??
How close minded are you? How intellectually hand cuffed to your little corner of the echo chamber you must be…

I watch media, documentaries and content all the time that challenges my ideological and philosophical views… I don’t see why that’s so hard for a lot of people here on the SamHarris.org forum.

You really do need to watch the presentation above but I’ll do you a favor and summarize it…
The USA has reached a demographic-ideological watershed moment, if Trump is not elected the USA will become a Hispanic country with the limited freedoms, corruption and lack of democracy that typify hispanic countries. It’s not so hyperbolic to say that America will either becoming great again or it will become Mexico again.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and if you’re not so intellectually thin skinned you’ll find that evidence clearly cited in the presentation above.

By the way I’m not opining from an ivory tour… I speak from experience.
I’ve lived for +3 years in latin America, I speak Spanish fluently and am relatively dangerous on the salsa dancefloor.
My anecdotal experience of latin culture completely agrees with Stefan Molyneux’s data driven conclusions, while I have great love for latino culture I’ve seen first hand how it’s profoundly dysfunctional. I lived in 5 countries and there really is a difference between say Colombians (average IQ 84) and Ukrainians (average IQ 97).

I really don’t want the USA to turn into a latino country, there’s very few examples of latino countries that are healthy, functional democracies. If you guys hate racism as I do you absolutely want to avoid the truly nasty racial violence that is going to happen in the United States as it transitions from an Anglo democracy to a socialist Hispanic banana republic.
Imagine present day Venezuela plus 300 MILLION guns. Ponder THAT in your liberal ivory towers.

Barry0tter - 30 October 2016 02:31 PM

Something for Libertarians to consider: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN_FOCF3vIQ

bbearren - 30 October 2016 04:26 PM

Could only handle 9:01.

Dennis Campbell - 30 October 2016 05:38 PM

Made it to 4.07.

Marc Wess - 30 October 2016 08:15 PM

I made it through 4 minutes by the way.

[ Edited: 31 October 2016 05:23 by JRLimitless]
 
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31 October 2016 05:21
 

Taking these posts on board, I skipped to the end, to somewhere around 40something minutes , and I watched for about 2 minutes.

Tragic.


Summary of the bit I saw:

Immigrants are taking over America by voting for (corrupt) Democrats. Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt of them all. Immigrants don’t care about corruption because the backwaters they come from are even more corrupt than the Clintons. Immigrants are used to corruption, they think it’s fine, they may even like it….

 
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icehorse - 30 October 2016 07:59 PM

Made it to a little past 5:00. He started off well, discussing factual claims vs. opinions, promised facts, and then quickly devolved to opinions.

Indeed.

JRLimitless - 31 October 2016 05:13 AM

You guys couldn’t watch more than 10 minutes of this before getting triggered by the facts??
How close minded are you? How intellectually hand cuffed to your little corner of the echo chamber you must be…

Throwing lots of charts and graphs and institutional names around cannot camouflage a statement that is purely personal opinion.

The USA has reached a demographic-ideological watershed moment, if Trump is not elected the USA will become a Hispanic country with the limited freedoms, corruption and lack of democracy that typify hispanic countries. It’s not so hyperbolic to say that America will either becoming great again or it will become Mexico again.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and if you’re not so intellectually thin skinned you’ll find that evidence clearly cited in the presentation above.

There is no connection between demographic minutiae and “they want ...”.  It’s asinine opinion standing in front of styrofoam Greek columns.  If one leans the opinion against the styrofoam columns, both fall.

By the way I’m not opining from an ivory tour… I speak from experience.

You’re still opining, and so is the video.

Dog whistles wrapped in mylar are shiny dog whistles.  The video is a long (and quite tedious) racist rant, nothing more.

 
 
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31 October 2016 07:28
 

Anecdotal claims require anecdotal evidence?

 
 
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31 October 2016 07:40
 
Ola - 31 October 2016 05:21 AM

Taking these posts on board, I skipped to the end, to somewhere around 40something minutes , and I watched for about 2 minutes.

Tragic.


Summary of the bit I saw:

Immigrants are taking over America by voting for (corrupt) Democrats. Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt of them all. Immigrants don’t care about corruption because the backwaters they come from are even more corrupt than the Clintons. Immigrants are used to corruption, they think it’s fine, they may even like it….

Good idea, looking to the end.  This is a troll.

 
 
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31 October 2016 14:10
 

JRLimitless

I’m glad you took something from this video and thanks for the summary, much better than I could have done.

Marc Wess

as a Gary Johnson voter you should be interested in the graph around the 43 minute mark.

To those who had to go and find a safe-space because of all the racist facts contained therein I’d advise you to watch from the 24 minute mark for approx. 1 minute and reflect.on your objections.

 
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31 October 2016 14:51
 

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To those who had to go and find a safe-space because of all the racist facts contained therein I’d advise you to watch from the 24 minute mark for approx. 1 minute and reflect.on your objections.

Dude, Several of us have said, we’re not afraid of facts, we’re impatient with opinions that appear to have no factual basis. The narrator of the video promised facts, and within a few minutes was spewing opinions. We’re grown up enough to handle the truth, we just don’t have time to hear baseless ranting.

With that said, if there are solid facts, tell us where they can be found.

 
 
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icehorse - 31 October 2016 02:51 PM

Dude, Several of us have said, we’re not afraid of facts

If these rambling white nationalists understood that they have as tenuous a grasp on facts as your average Jihadist or Russian hillbilly they’d change their tune real quick. It’s all deflection, projection, and fear masked with an entirely distasteful air of self confidence.

There’s a damn good reason YouTube comments look like a fucking Trump rally right now; no one with functioning synapses is bothering to debate them anymore because it devolves into Gish gallops and selective hearing almost immediately every single time.

Look at the comments here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTrrHtcdES0

Or the comments here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHfUUage4eQ

Or here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l3L_QAmpdE

Or here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWl1wORuugk

That was just the immediate rabbit hole I got from typing ‘Jews’ in the search bar. Who in their right mind wants to go in there any interrupt these rabid assholes from their safe spaces? That type of thinker ONLY DESERVES RIDICULE. They want to barrage you with their own personally tailored set of ‘facts’ while sticking fingers in their ears when they hear ANY consensus thinking that goes counter to their agenda. Now if any of you want to call foul and say I’m punching a strawman? Nope. I’m portraying the same type of argument you’ll see with the Zeitgeist videos or Infowars. The type of antisocial thinking that’s now being made edgy by content creators like Sargon of Akkad or Rebel Media or Stephen Crowder. Same tactic; different arguments.

That is the single most dangerous part of this entire election. This is the first time in anyone living’s lifetime that such hateful insecurity and dishonest anti-intellectualism has been this mainstream. It’s so cancerous and so insane that liberals are simply tuning them out and letting them pat themselves on the back and do self-proclaimed victory laps virtually unopposed. They’ve left such a bad taste in the mouths of anyone who doesn’t think like them that if you so much as attempt to break the bubble with an innocuous post you’ll get harassed by 50 of them within an hour while they all upvote some of the most ridiculous shit ever written in a display of internet alpha-manliness.

If I sound mad? You’re damn right. I’m furious that we’ve let stupid get this much traction in our country and around the world. Special shout out of “fuck you” to the far left that’s pushed so many people into this mindset by harping endlessly on their pointless pet issues.

I miss you, Mitt Romney. I miss you, John McCain. I miss you, GWB and Bob Dole and Ronnie Reagan. A lot of your followers were the same uneducated idiots, but at least none of you were one of them.

 

 
 
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31 October 2016 15:27
 

Share much of #1 above.

 
 
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31 October 2016 15:33
 

We will have immigrants come to this county from around the world. We need to welcome them and help them to understand what it is to be “American.” We have a system of government and a constitution.

JR what ever the short coming Latin American countries have is a function of their systems. If someone immigrates from one of those countries they do not bring their government with them- I assume that is one of the major reasons they left their home country.

The whole IQ levels of different people by country of origin—I have a high enough IQ to know that line of thinking is BS.

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31 October 2016 16:55
 

Historian and podcaster, Dan Carlin, briefly brought up the topic of the changing demographics within the United States not too long ago. Dan tends to look at the big picture and the effect of change in the long term.

Basically, he said that this has been a continent filled with dark-skinned people for many millenniums. These are the native Indians who walked here across the Bering Strait and continued going until they reached the tip of South America.

The European “invasion” of the past few centuries is probably an anomaly. It’s highly likely that the native American descendants will eventually absorb the European newcomers by mixing sexually with them, or by out-reproducing them. In the long run, the American continent is simply reverting back to the racial composition that is has always been.

This is really, really hard for a lot of white people to accept.

 
 
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