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The Truth About America’s Survival | Demographics and the 2016 Election

 
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31 October 2016 16:56
 
Marc Wess - 31 October 2016 03:33 PM

We will have immigrants come to this county from around the world. We need to welcome them and help them to understand what it is to be “American.” We have a system of government and a constitution.

JR what ever the short coming Latin American countries have is a function of their systems. If someone immigrates from one of those countries they do not bring their government with them- I assume that is one of the major reasons they left their home country.

The whole IQ levels of different people by country of origin—I have a high enough IQ to know that line of thinking is BS.


Right on.  And I’m a retired psychologist.

 
 
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31 October 2016 17:13
 
Sarcastic Fringehead - 31 October 2016 04:55 PM

Historian and podcaster, Dan Carlin, briefly brought up the topic of the changing demographics within the United States not too long ago. Dan tends to look at the big picture and the effect of change in the long term.

Basically, he said that this has been a continent filled with dark-skinned people for many millenniums. These are the native Indians who walked here across the Bering Strait and continued going until they reached the tip of South America.

The European “invasion” of the past few centuries is probably an anomaly. It’s highly likely that the native American descendants will eventually absorb the European newcomers by mixing sexually with them, or by out-reproducing them. In the long run, the American continent is simply reverting back to the racial composition that is has always been.

This is really, really hard for a lot of white people to accept.

The only reason people of different colors exist is because for the vast, vast majority of the time human beings spent on this planet 20 miles from the spot you were born was as far as you’d ever travel.

Now there are metal tubes that can carry you from one end of the planet to the other in a few hours. A lot of people have metal boxes they can drive from one end of their continent in to the other in a period of 24 hours or less. These color distinctions are almost completely superficial and can be undone in a single breeding pair. A million years of isolation no longer means anything. Any country legislating to prevent the ‘interbreeding of races’ is doomed to be the first against the wall when they’re the last out-group xenophobes left (looking at you North Korea - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cleanest_Race).

So anyone raging against the dying of the ‘white’ here is just being silly. If Wesley Snipes has a kid with a white lady, their kid is probably going to be a shade between them. So on and so forth.

While I’m certain I won’t be around, I don’t see anything but good news in regards to the humanity being relegated to a narrow spectrum of color. People make far too big of a deal about such a pointless thing as it stands. I’ve always been a supporter of the 1 human race concept anyway.

Maybe when everyone is a nice, uniform copper-tone we can stop dicking around and work together to colonize the stars and get off this rock before we all die together on it.

 
 
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31 October 2016 17:14
 

This is really, really hard for a lot of white people to accept.

And if I’d said “Black people to accept” I’d be called, rightly, a racist,

 
 
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31 October 2016 18:08
 

Libertarians don’t consider, period. Law is the only option and Libertarians want to salt the earth it springs from.

 
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Hitchens Immortal - 31 October 2016 05:13 PM

So anyone raging against the dying of the ‘white’ here is just being silly. If Wesley Snipes has a kid with a white lady, their kid is probably going to be a shade between them. So on and so forth.

While I’m certain I won’t be around, I don’t see anything but good news in regards to the humanity being relegated to a narrow spectrum of color. People make far too big of a deal about such a pointless thing as it stands. I’ve always been a supporter of the 1 human race concept anyway.

Maybe when everyone is a nice, uniform copper-tone we can stop dicking around and work together to colonize the stars and get off this rock before we all die together on it.

I agree. Well said.

 
 
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Dennis Campbell - 31 October 2016 05:14 PM

This is really, really hard for a lot of white people to accept.

And if I’d said “Black people to accept” I’d be called, rightly, a racist,

What’s your point there Dennis?

 
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icehorse - 31 October 2016 02:51 PM

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To those who had to go and find a safe-space because of all the racist facts contained therein I’d advise you to watch from the 24 minute mark for approx. 1 minute and reflect.on your objections.

Dude, Several of us have said, we’re not afraid of facts, we’re impatient with opinions that appear to have no factual basis. The narrator of the video promised facts, and within a few minutes was spewing opinions. We’re grown up enough to handle the truth, we just don’t have time to hear baseless ranting.

With that said, if there are solid facts, tell us where they can be found.

I’ve just watched the start again and the first chart appears just after the 5 minute mark and there are quite a few more to follow, all sourced, and with commentary of course.

In the OP I was pointing it out for Libertarians btw. Just saying.

 
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02 November 2016 07:39
 

You don’t understand, the problem is not that the racial composition is changing….
The problem is that that socialist policies of the government encourage the WORST immigrants to come to the USA and to manifest the worst parts of their culture
When I lived in Colombia I had to be a very good immigrant and totally integrated myself into society because the Colombian government wasn’t giving me incentives to be lazy and irresponsible. The Colombian government didn’t
Give me free healthcare
Give me free housing
Help me get a job
Give me free Spanish language classes
Offer to support any children that I had there
Give me cash support
Give me food stamps
Let me vote
Give me a drivers license
I had to be an adult and take care of myself. Our government offers all of the above which encourages the worst immigrants to come.
In Colombia I had a number of Colombian friends who where smart, young, handwork ambitious people and they all wanted to come to the United States but they couldn’t because our immigration system is so backed up dealing with lower quality immigrants and illegals.

If you watch the entire presentation linked by OP you’ll be a little triggered but if you stomach facts you’ll come to see the data that supports my anecdotal experience of latino culture… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN_FOCF3vIQ

Sarcastic Fringehead - 31 October 2016 04:55 PM

The European “invasion” of the past few centuries is probably an anomaly. It’s highly likely that the native American descendants will eventually absorb the European newcomers by mixing sexually with them, or by out-reproducing them. In the long run, the American continent is simply reverting back to the racial composition that is has always been.

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Dennis Campbell - 31 October 2016 05:14 PM

This is really, really hard for a lot of white people to accept.

And if I’d said “Black people to accept” I’d be called, rightly, a racist,

What’s your point there Dennis?

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JRLimitless - 02 November 2016 07:39 AM

When I lived in Colombia I had to be a very good immigrant and totally integrated myself into society because the Colombian government wasn’t giving me incentives to be lazy and irresponsible. The Colombian government didn’t

The Colombian peso trades at 1:0.021 Russian Rubles. The Russian Ruble trades at 1:0.016 to the Dollar. Do the math. They don’t offer immigrants, let alone their own people, much of anything because they don’t have anything to offer.

I think you’ve mistaken poverty for nobility, Senor Jesus.

JRLimitless - 02 November 2016 07:39 AM

I had to be an adult and take care of myself.

Yeah, when you live in a place that will let you die in the streets because they don’t have the courtesy to run a country without an ongoing civil war that manages to take care of its people…  Gonna have to.

You must have looked insane for actually wanting to be there.

Homeboy, immigrants go where the going is good. When has this not been the case? Ever? In history? When people leave a place, they don’t go to India because India is crowded and poor. They don’t go to Afghanistan because they don’t want to be dirt poor goat herders living on the surface of Mars.

Your solution to immigration is basically “Be a shittier country and no one will like coming there”. Because the best way to make our money look like Colombia’s money is to cut them off.

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Marc Wess - 31 October 2016 03:33 PM

We will have immigrants come to this county from around the world. We need to welcome them and help them to understand what it is to be “American.” We have a system of government and a constitution.

JR what ever the short coming Latin American countries have is a function of their systems. If someone immigrates from one of those countries they do not bring their government with them- I assume that is one of the major reasons they left their home country.

Hitchens Immortal - 31 October 2016 07:28 AM

Anecdotal claims require anecdotal evidence?

Again, I have great love for latino countries…
The friendly old people
The salsa dancing
The constant festivals
Las chicas lindas
The food
The Reggaeton bump’n grinding all night
I’m headed back to the south of Spain in about a month to live it up!
But, there is a profound disfunctionality in these cultures, the anecdotal evidence of this is abundant if you’ve spent much time in these countries
The rampant alcoholism
The manana, manana work ethic
The shoddy workmanship of everything
The very k-selected reproductive practices (family values and catholic chastity are a big joke)
The utterly incompetent state-run electric, phone and internet service providers
The disregard for safe sex
The rampant prostitution
The terrible customer service in stores and restaurants
I had a couple of friends try to start businesses in LATAM and it was next to impossible for them to hire reliable employees
The general hedonistic imperative - everything is always less important than partying and trying to get laid…
I would occasionally ask my latino friends about politics and their response was pretty consistent, they just thought all politicians were corrupt assholes, which is true their countries and also confirms the data linked to by the OP

Marc Wess - 31 October 2016 03:33 PM

The whole IQ levels of different people by country of origin—I have a high enough IQ to know that line of thinking is BS.

See this helpful map of countries delineated by IQ http://memolition.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/IQAveragebyCountry.png
Countries/cultures with average IQ below 90 very rarely can function as democracies.

This is really hard for liberal/SJW types to accept wink
What’s your IQ? If you’re so smart drop some knowledge and facts on me instead of these meaningless moralizing platitudes.

Dennis Campbell - 31 October 2016 04:56 PM

Right on.  And I’m a retired psychologist.

Psychology is the softest science. You gotta drop a more impressive credential that relates to the OP. During your illustrious career as a psychologist did you contribute to a study of how disparate IQs of different countries effect politics??

This election will likely determine if the USA will remain an Anglo country or to become a latino country.
The bottom line is that If you guys do not have extensive personal experience living in latino countries like I do, you really need to inform yourselves of the political implications of voting for or against this transformation by looking at the data.
Which you can do by watching Stefan Molyneux’s presentation.

DON’T RESPOND until you’ve watched it in full.

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JRLimitless - 02 November 2016 10:10 AM

If you’re so smart drop some knowledge and facts on me instead of these meaningless moralizing platitudes.

That’s what’s missing in the video—facts that connect to his racist rant.  The facts presented in the video do not in any way support his opinion.  It’s just his racist opinion.

DON’T RESPOND until you’ve watched it in full.

I am unconcerned about the projections of the changing demographics in this country.  I do not fear my country becoming less white, rather, I embrace it.  You parade your anecdotal experience in Latin America.  I have some anecdotal experience with many Hispanic immigrants with whom I have lived and worked for decades, who came to this country for freedom and opportunity, not free stuff and handouts.  Good neighbors and hard workers.

Here are a couple of links for you: Melquíades Rafael Martínez Ruiz and Marco Rubio.  They don’t quite fit the stereotype of the video.

 
 
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bbearren - 02 November 2016 11:45 AM

I have some anecdotal experience with many Hispanic immigrants with whom I have lived and worked for decades, who came to this country for freedom and opportunity, not free stuff and handouts.  Good neighbors and hard workers.

Here are a couple of links for you: Melquíades Rafael Martínez Ruiz and Marco Rubio.  They don’t quite fit the stereotype of the video.


But I know a woman who went to jail, and I know a woman who died in her 30s, and I know a woman who’s really tall…

 
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JRLimitless - 02 November 2016 10:10 AM

DON’T RESPOND until you’ve watched it in full.

Actually I think I’m going to respond with the same post so you don’t just quickly toss out some unrelated bullshit to avoid the points that you can’t argue with:

JRLimitless - 02 November 2016 07:39 AM

When I lived in Colombia I had to be a very good immigrant and totally integrated myself into society because the Colombian government wasn’t giving me incentives to be lazy and irresponsible. The Colombian government didn’t

The Colombian peso trades at 1:0.021 Russian Rubles. The Russian Ruble trades at 1:0.016 to the Dollar. Do the math. They don’t offer immigrants, let alone their own people, much of anything because they don’t have anything to offer.

I think you’ve mistaken poverty for nobility, Senor Jesus.

JRLimitless - 02 November 2016 07:39 AM

I had to be an adult and take care of myself.

Yeah, when you live in a place that will let you die in the streets because they don’t have the courtesy to run a country without an ongoing civil war that manages to take care of its people…  Gonna have to.

You must have looked insane for actually wanting to be there.

Homeboy, immigrants go where the going is good. When has this not been the case? Ever? In history? When people leave a place, they don’t go to India because India is crowded and poor. They don’t go to Afghanistan because they don’t want to be dirt poor goat herders living on the surface of Mars.

Your solution to immigration is basically “Be a shittier country and no one will like coming there”. Because the best way to make our money look like Colombia’s money is to cut them off.

So tell us about Colombia’s successes and why you think they’re an example worth following BEFORE ignoring the question so you can post another poorly organized list of nonsense. I brought up the Gish gallop and underhanded debate tactics in another thread, thanks for reinforcing my point about the lack of sportsmanship practiced by people like you.

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Hitchens Immortal - 02 November 2016 05:46 PM

The Colombian peso trades at 1:0.021 Russian Rubles. The Russian Ruble trades at 1:0.016 to the Dollar. Do the math. They don’t offer immigrants, let alone their own people, much of anything because they don’t have anything to offer.

Actually, you’re wrong about this. Colombia does have a welfare system, offering housing assistance, subsidized healthcare, grocery credit, etc
The poorer neighborhoods get more assistance and these neighborhoods are consistently single mother ruled, bastard baby factories.
Whenever I was on a date with cute, young Colombiana single mother I would ask her about this and they confirmed what the data in the presentation is saying about Hispanic welfare use
See http://www.occasionalplanet.org/2014/09/09/trying-to-make-sense-of-colombias-strata-economic-system/
The difference between Colombia and the US is that they do not offer a bunch of welfare benefits to fresh off the boat immigrants and it works, virtually 100% of the immigrants or expats you meet in Colombia are hardworking, educated and contributed richly to economy there.

Hitchens Immortal - 02 November 2016 05:46 PM

Your solution to immigration is basically “Be a shittier country and no one will like coming there”...
You must have looked insane for actually wanting to be there.
So tell us about Colombia’s successes…

Again, you’re wrong. it’s actually a quiet lovely country with a lot of redeeming features.
Colombia is a case study of success and how violent 3rd world backwaters can develop into decent places to live in 10-15 years.
Medellin, where I lived was named the most innovative city in the world.
I lived there for two years and it was as safe as living in downtown Denver, Colorado where I’m from.
It is a lovely country but I really wouldn’t want to…
Get a job there
Build a business there
Own property there
Or raise a family there
It was none-stop headache, bureaucracy and Idiocracy for all my friends who tried…

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04 November 2016 07:49
 

I’m leaving this discussion…

I wouldn’t waste my time trying to convince…
A young earth creationist
A flat earther
A climate change denier
Using facts, data, rational arguments and relevant anecdotal experiences because they have great dogmatic faith in their crazy beliefs

And I’ve wasted too much time here trying to convince the Demographic Disaster Deniers in this thread who are equally dogmatic in their naive beliefs.
If you are too triggered to watch a 60 minute presentation
If you refuse to consider facts and data
If you refuse to look at history
If you disregard meaningful anecdotal information about a culture that you know nothing about
That’s petty dogmatism. You are the regressive leftists that Sam Harris talks about constantly on his podcast.

Aristotle observed that there are people who simply cannot be convinced by information, they can only be convinced by their own personal experience and clever emotional persuasion - Rhetoric. I had hoped that here on the Sam Harris Forum I would find real intellectuals who are interested in complex ideas that are supported by facts, data and arguments.
Instead I’ve found a bunch of shinning examples of the Dunning-Kruger effect which is that low-ability individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability as much higher than it really is. People who think they are experts on a topic that they actually know nothing about.
I know nothing about how to pilot a helicopter, so if I met a helicopter pilot I wouldn’t argue with him about how to land his helicopter.

The poll numbers this week and preponderance of other significant signs are indicating strongly that this idiotic social experiment of turning the United States into a latino country is going to be over soon. If not I strongly suggest you guys exercise your 2nd amendment right while you still can; stay vigilant, and stay strapped so you can protect yourself from what’s coming.

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