Gas chambers of Auschwitz

 
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26 January 2017 04:39
 

Hi everybody. I haven’t been here for quite a while. I was fortunate to find a very interesting post in the recycle bin. Since the content does not disagree with the policies here and was apparently originally tolerated I have decided to recycle it here:

“So let us turn to the question, what proofs do we have? Obviously, the holocaust is a whole set of events, so let us turn to the major death camp. Auschwitz Birkenau. Wikipedia tells us:

“From early 1942 until late 1944, transport trains delivered Jews to the camp’s gas chambers from all over German-occupied Europe, where they were killed with the pesticide Zyklon B. At least 1.1 million prisoners died at Auschwitz, around 90 percent of them Jewish; approximately 1 in 6 Jews killed in the Holocaust died at the camp.”

Zyklon-B is a pesticide consisting of pellets soaked with hydrogen cyanide (HCN). H is hydrogen, C is Carbon and N is nitrogen. Any compound R-CN is called a cyanide. R is an arbitrary rest. It takes around 2 hours for HCN to evaporate completely from the pellets at room temperature.

The main gas chambers of Auschwitz Birkenau were in the cellar of the crematoria 2 and 3. (crema 1 is called the crematorium in the main camp, also called Auschwitz 1)

The witnesses tell us that the jews were led into the first cellar of crema 2 under the pretext that they were going to take a shower. They took of their clothes and were then led into the underground gas chamber. The door of the gas chamber was closed. Cylcon-B was dropped through 4 Holes in the ceiling of the gas chamber into a wire mesh column, which extended all the way to the floor of the gas chamber. The 4 holes were cealed. After around 30 minutes all inmates were dead and the cyclon-B pellets were pulled out of the gas chamber through the holes. Then, the Sonderkommando would enter the gas chamber and pull out the corpses. The corpses would be brought into the oven room using an elevator and cremated in ovens.

Cyclon-B was also used in Auschwitz for fumigating shoes and clothes. This was done in order to kill lice and other vermin in order to stop the spread of deadly diseases such as typhus. This is not controversial among holocaust believers and unbelievers.

In the 1980s and 1990 several samples from the walls of the homicidal gas chambers and non-homicidal gas chambers were taken. The cyanide concentration in the non-homicidal gas chambers was on average around 5000 times higher than the cyanide concentration in the homicidal gas chamber. The total concentration of cyanides in the homicidal gas chamber were bearly measurable and not elevated in relation to normal buildings. This result is confirmed by 4 independent measurements.

The holocaust unbelievers cried victory and the holocaust believers cried foul. A long and winded dispute between two Chemists, Germar Rudolf and Richard Green, ensued. Green basically caved in on three points. 1. The measurable cyanides in the non-homicidal gas chambers were actually the result of gassing with HCN. 2. The concentration of cyanides used for gassing were essentially the same in the non-homicidal gas chambers and in the homicidal gas chamber. 3. The ph-Value in the water contained in the pores of the concrete walls was in the order of at least 10.

The pH-value is important because HCN hardly disassociate in water into H+ and CN- Ions, if the pH is around 6 to 7. However, this is the first step in the creation of stable cyanides, in particular the iron cyanides called Prussian Blue in the non-homicidal gas chamber. But. Green believed that nevertheless no cyanide compound could be formed in the homicidal gas chamber. So what differences between the two gas chambers and gassing procedures could explain the different results? These are his basic arguments:

“Rudolf makes a minor point. Rudolf’s claim that a measurement of the pH many years later may not be indicative of the pH at the time is valid. Unfortunately we cannot go back in time and measure the pH. Notwithstanding that fact, our conclusions about Prussian blue formation simply do not hinge on the pH. ...”

This is where Green caves in. The pH value continuously drops to around 6 due to a process called carbonatation, which is epxlained here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonatation

But, this process takes several months or even years. The gas chambers in cremas 2 and 3 were put to use right after their construction. Wikipedia informs us that “the water in the pores of Portland cement concrete is normally alkaline with a pH in the range of 12.5 to 13.5.”  Thus, a high pH value above 10 is safe to assume. Let’s quote Green some more:

“Most importantly, Rudolf ignores the central points of our argument. Either he has not read our article carefully, did not understand it, or he is intentionally misrepresenting its findings. We find that the aqueous concentration of cyanide ions in the gas chambers was reduced by 1) the short gassing time, and 2) the washing of the walls with water after gassings, and that these processes would have reduced that concetration below the threshold identified by Alich et. al. to make Prussian blue formation in the gas chambers exceedingly unlikely relative to the delousing chambers.”

http://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/not-the-science/postscript.shtml

So the threshold of CN- concentration in water was not reached due to the short gassing times and washing of the walls. This treshold must be reached for the formation of stable iron cyanides as proved by Alich et. al That’s his basic argument. We can find it explained in greater detail in the previous paper.

“Rudolf would like to claim a pH of around 10 (a claim that we shall examine in further detail). Note that if Rudolf were correct that the concentration of cyanide ions would be about 80% of the initial HCN concentration. If the pH is 6-7 as measured by Markiewicz et al., it is about 1% of the initial hydrogen cyanide concentration. Appendix 1 of “Leuchter, Rudolf, and the Iron Blues” shows that the concentration of aqueous HCN before washing with water is on the order of 0.1 M: 1% of this concentration is on the order of 10-3 M.

Alich et al. found that concentrations of cyanide ions that were less than about 3.3 x 10-4 M did not form Prussian blue even though an excess of CN- was still present (dilution with 13% water by volume). [56] Considering that the gas chambers were washed with water, it is no wonder that very little if any Prussian blue formed there. Even if Rudolf is correct that the pH was about 10, that would lead to concentrations of cyanide ions on the order of 0.1 M. A mere thousandfold dilution by washing with water would reduce this concentration to the same level.”

http://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/not-the-science/index.shtml

Markiewicz et al. measured the pH value in the 1990s, thus decades after the supposed events. Therefore, these measurements are not indicative of the PH value in th 1943 and 1944, when the gassing is supposed to have occured. That’s Green’s blunder.

So the threshold is 3.3 x 10-4 M CN- Ions in one litre of water (M stands for moles per litre, 1 mole = 6.022 * 10^23). Green calculated that around 0.1 M are reached in water after exposure to HCN in the homicidal gas chambers. He admitted that pH 6 to 7 is wrong and Rudolf is right, so we have pH 10. According to Green, this means that 80% of HCN dissolved into H+ and CN- Ions. This leaves us with a concentration of 0.08 M well above the threshold of 0.003.3 M. Then, Green assumes that the concentration was further diluted under the threshold due to washing the chamber with water. However, the blood and feces were not cleaned from the ceiling of the homicidal gas chamber. Gravity tells us that they dropp to the floor and do not rise to the ceiling.

The measured concentration in the ceiling is the same is on the floor. Thus, the washing had no measurable effect on the creation of stable cyanides. The washing theory must be discarded. We are left with the fact that the CN- concentration of 0.08 M was well above the threshold of 0.003.3 M making the formation of iron cyanides exceedingly likely. However, they cannot be measured.Presently, the only explanation for the lack of cyanides is. “The homicidal gas chambers were not exposed to hydrogen cyanides in the manner described by the eye witnesses.”

Where do we go from here? Is the lack of cyanides another miracle?

The arguments are pretty much summed up in the Rudolf report, which you can access here:

http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=2”

This looks like solid science to me. These arguments have not been addressed by any of the responders in the recycle bin. Therefore, it appears to be worthwhile to post it here again. Let’s get to the bottom of this matter.

Cheers Kikl

[ Edited: 26 January 2017 06:37 by Nhoj Morley]
 
 
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26 January 2017 06:37
 

Tis curious that you have the same IP as Mr. Erlich.

No, we don’t recycle the stuff in the recycle bin. It is ground up to make milk cartons.

No, you were not fortunate to find it. You knew it was there. Here it stays.