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04 June 2020 11:48
 
Brother Mario - 04 June 2020 07:10 AM

No. You began with a psychological assertion and then a spiritual one, which, as a good student, professor, I responded to.

You should have given me an A.

What matters most is how you see yourself?  https://www.google.com/search?q=image+of+cat+looking+in+mirror+and+seeing+a+lion

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/real-men-dont-write-blogs/201312/others-see-us#:~:text=And

“Oh would some Power the gift give us, to see ourselves as others see us.”  -  Robert Burns

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05 June 2020 08:32
 

So, “what you are is what you get” is a statement of fact, burt?

So, there is no “what there is is what you experience”, burt?

Reality is completely subjective?

Truth is completely relative?

Nonsense.

And here’s why:

https://christopherjethro.com/truth-relative-or-absolute

 
 
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05 June 2020 18:44
 

Actually, that guy agrees pretty much with me, although his examples are poor. For example, the Earth is a (relative) sphere now, but 5 billion years ago it wasn’t. And of course, 1+1=2 isn’t an absolute truth, it’s relative to the Peano axioms of arithmetic. It was a bit of a shock for me in a graduate algebra course when the professor gave the proof of a theorem on the board and I thought, fine, good proof. Then he said, this shows the theorem is true for every case except when 1+1=0. So then he proved it for that case, too. (Note: 1+1=0 comes from an algebra of switching logic where 1 = flip switch, 0 = don’t flip switch, so 1+1 means flip it then flip it again, which is the same as not flipping it at all.) Remember, as far as math is concerned, I’m a Platonist, math truth is absolute, given axioms and such. So, the absolute statement of 1+1=2 is, “within ordinary arithmetic 1+1=2.”

My statement “what you are is what you get” was not a relativistic statement, it was absolute:

Those things for which we spend time vying
Lose value when we see we’re dying.
It’s when we get old
We find the real gold’s
The One we’ve become in the trying.

Perhaps the statement ought to have been what you have become at the end is what you get, or what you are in the moment is what you get in the moment.

 
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05 June 2020 20:54
 

Of course, you could not venture beyond the second degree of abstraction, burt.

Absolute mathematical truths of addition are not what you lack.

Absolute human truths of experience are.

Jesus said that he was born, that he came into the world, “to bear witness to the Truth”.

And he proved it through everything he said, he did, and he became; and now through the spirit of the Living God he told us would give us certain and specific experiences, revelations that bear witness to him, and make us like him.

You have stunted your growth through starving yourself of this spirit and eating only intellectual undernourishment.

Jesus was quite clear about who were the human beings that God rewards the most with the fruits and gifts of his spirit.

“God seeks those who seek him in Spirit and TRUTH.”

You have only let yourself travel halfway there.

And it is just plain old pride in your mundane ability to think that has befallen you.

And the relativism you hold up as some sort of higher wisdom than the Absolute Truth about God and his Only Begotten Son is the end result of this pride, for how can you now, at the last years of a lifetime of thinking yourself wise and clever, admit your failure, and change?

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05 June 2020 22:55
 
Brother Mario - 05 June 2020 08:54 PM

Of course, you could not venture beyond the second degree of abstraction, burt.

Absolute mathematical truths of addition are not what you lack.

Absolute human truths of experience are.

Jesus said that he was born, that he came into the world, “to bear witness to the Truth”.

And he proved it through everything he said, he did, and he became; and now through the spirit of the Living God he told us would give us certain and specific experiences, revelations that bear witness to him, and make us like him.

You have stunted your growth through starving yourself of this spirit and eating only intellectual undernourishment.

Jesus was quite clear about who were the human beings that God rewards the most with the fruits and gifts of his spirit.

“God seeks those who seek him in Spirit and TRUTH.”

You have only let yourself travel halfway there.

And it is just plain old pride in your mundane ability to think that has befallen you.

And the relativism you hold up as some sort of higher wisdom than the Absolute Truth about God and his Only Begotten Son is the end result of this pride, for how can you now, at the last years of a lifetime of thinking yourself wise and clever, admit your failure and change?[/quote

You’re getting boring, you can’t understand what I said, or perhaps chose not to so you can carry on your on ego-indulgence. Have a good laugh at yourself.

 
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06 June 2020 08:06
 

It’s what you haven’t said that matters, burt.

A tree is known by its fruit. And your fruit doesn’t hang from your tree for anyone to pick and eat and grow.

It is not the life and words of a Ghazi that bring you hope and love.

You have heard about Jesus, and now your spirit is awakened, no matter how stupidly and pridefully you ignore it while you read and write and talk.

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06 June 2020 09:04
 

What a Spring in 2020 we’re having, right?

A virus led to a pandemic that led to an isolation that led to an economic disaster that led to a recovery that will change the world forever.

A tiny microscopic virus became the ruler of our lives, with “science” falling flat on its face before it.

It’s as if our only hope for our physical lives on Earth, our temporary fragile lives, our visible limited lives, is an immaterial, eternal, all-powerful, invisible, infinite reality that rises above the Earth and brings us along with it.

Yes, it’s as if ...

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06 June 2020 12:15
 
Brother Mario - 06 June 2020 09:04 AM

Yes, it’s as if ...

It’s as if, like a person who has been brainwashed, you don’t know what is real and what are fantasies that have been instilled in you.

instill  verb

1.  gradually but firmly establish (an idea or attitude) in a person’s mind.

 

 

 
 
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