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12 April 2017 20:25
 
GAD - 12 April 2017 08:10 PM
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GAD - 12 April 2017 05:47 PM

LOL, so reality is to much of a bitch for you so you are running back to your make-believe, misogynistic, racist, sadomasochistic, sky daddy.


  Who said anything about returning to the bible god?  Kudos for speaking directly.  I embrace reality, that is why I no longer discourage theists.  There are ways, other than literalism, to read the bible for those that choose to do so.

Indeed, the words of gods are nothing more then the words of the men who speak them, and why they fight and kill each other over who’s interpretation of ignorance, myth, magic and superstition is the right one. That you think your way is somehow better makes you no different then the billions of others who think theirs is and makes you about as unique as a grain of sand in a desert of intellectual despair.

Blinders off, observing the anger that spews from the atheist towards the modern day, twenty first century Christian is almost too transparent now.  Fuck off, dude.  You really have no clue.  But have a nice day.

 
 
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12 April 2017 21:52
 
June - 12 April 2017 08:25 PM
GAD - 12 April 2017 08:10 PM
June - 12 April 2017 06:01 PM
GAD - 12 April 2017 05:47 PM

LOL, so reality is to much of a bitch for you so you are running back to your make-believe, misogynistic, racist, sadomasochistic, sky daddy.


  Who said anything about returning to the bible god?  Kudos for speaking directly.  I embrace reality, that is why I no longer discourage theists.  There are ways, other than literalism, to read the bible for those that choose to do so.

Indeed, the words of gods are nothing more then the words of the men who speak them, and why they fight and kill each other over who’s interpretation of ignorance, myth, magic and superstition is the right one. That you think your way is somehow better makes you no different then the billions of others who think theirs is and makes you about as unique as a grain of sand in a desert of intellectual despair.

Blinders off, observing the anger that spews from the atheist towards the modern day, twenty first century Christian is almost too transparent now.  Fuck off, dude.  You really have no clue.  But have a nice day.

Don’t confuse humble intellect for anger just because it pokes holes in your bubble of delusion. Now prove your god is more then a mental masturbation circle jerk and we can talk…........That’s what I thought. Now go fuck yourself some more and have a nice day of telling yourself how great you are.

 
 
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12 April 2017 22:18
 
GAD - 12 April 2017 09:52 PM

Don’t confuse humble intellect for anger…

I’ll wait,  till I see some actual humble intellect.  Until then, it is all anger and insults.  G’day, son. 

 

 
 
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12 April 2017 23:10
 

GAD, check your reading comprehension. June wrote she doesn’t believe.

 
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13 April 2017 00:15
 
June - 12 April 2017 10:18 PM
GAD - 12 April 2017 09:52 PM

Don’t confuse humble intellect for anger…

I’ll wait,  till I see some actual humble intellect.  Until then, it is all anger and insults.  G’day, son. 

 

No anger here, insults, sure.

 
 
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13 April 2017 06:48
 

The Doc must be completely out of duct tape by now.

Welcome back Ms. June.

Isn’t there still a way to have respect for the faithful while disregarding the beliefs they have faith in?

 
 
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13 April 2017 07:38
 
Jb8989 - 12 April 2017 05:04 PM
Ola - 12 April 2017 04:55 PM
Jan_CAN - 12 April 2017 04:50 PM
Jb8989 - 12 April 2017 04:45 PM
Jan_CAN - 12 April 2017 04:36 PM
Ola - 12 April 2017 04:21 PM

This whole conversation is baffling this neanderthal.

Me too ... this may be turning into one of those conversations for the guys only?

It might be fun to watch if they’d just get to it and have an assholism contest.

Shut up and go make me a sandwich?

Good start ... mayo on that?

Hands off. I saw him first.

Ladies, please calm down. There’s enough of me to go around. And by enough, you know what I mean… a little bit of lazy love making followed by a bit of friendly crying.

The pills finally arrived?

 
 
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13 April 2017 07:40
 
Jan_CAN - 12 April 2017 05:55 PM
Ola - 12 April 2017 05:36 PM
Jan_CAN - 12 April 2017 05:16 PM

Oh no, Ola, we’re turning into them!

Eeek
Don’t look them in the eyes, Jan, just back away very slowly, then when I give the signal, RUN!

Haha ... I’m running ... (you too!).

You better not be wearing SHOES!!!!1!!!

***To the moon, Alice!****

 
 
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13 April 2017 08:43
 
LadyJane - 13 April 2017 06:48 AM

The Doc must be completely out of duct tape by now.

Welcome back Ms. June.

Isn’t there still a way to have respect for the faithful while disregarding the beliefs they have faith in?

Thank you LadyJane.  The Docs in heaven.  Saw your thread and had to check it out.
 
I meet during the course of my day, some people that wear the cross around their neck.  By wearing the cross they’ve made a statement for everyone to notice who they identify with.  They’ve opened themselves to scrutiny and criticism by the merit of their behavior.  Most have earned my respect when I observe their conduct under stress.  They follow certain teachings about not retaliating when reviled and there is a gentleness I admire that I know comes from their belief.  Most know why I’ve stopped believing, but not the specifics. 
I’ll be meeting with one of them that has asked me for some details of why.  He is faltering a little in his own, by his admission, so I need to decide, carefully,  what words to use.  What this man has done for people in need, giving hope to those addicted to drugs, giving aid to victims of assault cases is due to his powerful belief.  He credits the love of God for his strength and marriage and I wouldn’t want to see him weakened in his walk.

I think it is possible to have respect for the faithful while disregarding the beliefs if we focus on behavior and outcome.  These people care about the individual, not in the abstract either,  but from a sense of purpose for involvement they believe given by God.  So now, if a verse in the bible is quoted, I can respond with a similar verse knowing those words are a lifeline. 

Let me ask you something now.  Let’s say if we had the power, I’m not saying we do, but if we had the power in the course of a conversation to change a persons mind about their belief in Jesus and the gospel, should we do it?  I’ll add that this person is doing not just good, but great work towards others, is productive and is a happy and contented human being.  Would it be wise to change that persons mind about his/her belief? 
Obviously, yes,  in a situtation where the belief is destructive causing more harm to self and others. 
Thanks.  I am interested in your perspective.

 

 
 
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13 April 2017 08:58
 
Jefe - 13 April 2017 07:38 AM
Jb8989 - 12 April 2017 05:04 PM
Ola - 12 April 2017 04:55 PM
Jan_CAN - 12 April 2017 04:50 PM
Jb8989 - 12 April 2017 04:45 PM
Jan_CAN - 12 April 2017 04:36 PM
Ola - 12 April 2017 04:21 PM

This whole conversation is baffling this neanderthal.

Me too ... this may be turning into one of those conversations for the guys only?

It might be fun to watch if they’d just get to it and have an assholism contest.

Shut up and go make me a sandwich?

Good start ... mayo on that?

Hands off. I saw him first.

Ladies, please calm down. There’s enough of me to go around. And by enough, you know what I mean… a little bit of lazy love making followed by a bit of friendly crying.

The pills finally arrived?

The best part about Cialis is taking it when you don’t need it. The key is to not tell the chick and just pretend that’s how you dick em’ down normally. Hahaha

 
 
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13 April 2017 09:10
 

That’s not quite the sort of helmet I was talking about.

 
 
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13 April 2017 09:29
 

Lol ... Jefe, Jb & LJ

 
 
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13 April 2017 09:41
 
June - 13 April 2017 08:43 AM

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I think it is possible to have respect for the faithful while disregarding the beliefs if we focus on behavior and outcome.  These people care about the individual, not in the abstract either,  but from a sense of purpose for involvement they believe given by God.  So now, if a verse in the bible is quoted, I can respond with a similar verse knowing those words are a lifeline. 

Let me ask you something now.  Let’s say if we had the power, I’m not saying we do, but if we had the power in the course of a conversation to change a persons mind about their belief in Jesus and the gospel, should we do it?  I’ll add that this person is doing not just good, but great work towards others, is productive and is a happy and contented human being.  Would it be wise to change that persons mind about his/her belief? 
Obviously, yes,  in a situtation where the belief is destructive causing more harm to self and others.  Thanks.  I am interested in your perspective.

I agree.  Personally, I would be reluctant to try to change someone’s mind if they found their beliefs to give them purpose and comfort, and when they aren’t causing any harm to anyone else.

As LadyJane said earlier, “Isn’t there still a way to have respect for the faithful while disregarding the beliefs they have faith in?”.

 
 
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13 April 2017 10:00
 
Jan_CAN - 13 April 2017 09:41 AM
June - 13 April 2017 08:43 AM

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I think it is possible to have respect for the faithful while disregarding the beliefs if we focus on behavior and outcome.  These people care about the individual, not in the abstract either,  but from a sense of purpose for involvement they believe given by God.  So now, if a verse in the bible is quoted, I can respond with a similar verse knowing those words are a lifeline. 

Let me ask you something now.  Let’s say if we had the power, I’m not saying we do, but if we had the power in the course of a conversation to change a persons mind about their belief in Jesus and the gospel, should we do it?  I’ll add that this person is doing not just good, but great work towards others, is productive and is a happy and contented human being.  Would it be wise to change that persons mind about his/her belief? 
Obviously, yes,  in a situtation where the belief is destructive causing more harm to self and others.  Thanks.  I am interested in your perspective.

I agree.  Personally, I would be reluctant to try to change someone’s mind if they found their beliefs to give them purpose and comfort, and when they aren’t causing any harm to anyone else.

As LadyJane said earlier, “Isn’t there still a way to have respect for the faithful while disregarding the beliefs they have faith in?”.

Can you respect Nazis, White Supremacists, ISIS etc while disregarding the beliefs they have faith in? Sure, people do it everyday, but what does that get you other then the self-righteous high of sitting on the fence singing kumbaya?

 

 
 
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13 April 2017 10:17
 
GAD - 13 April 2017 10:00 AM
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June - 13 April 2017 08:43 AM

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I think it is possible to have respect for the faithful while disregarding the beliefs if we focus on behavior and outcome.  These people care about the individual, not in the abstract either,  but from a sense of purpose for involvement they believe given by God.  So now, if a verse in the bible is quoted, I can respond with a similar verse knowing those words are a lifeline. 

Let me ask you something now.  Let’s say if we had the power, I’m not saying we do, but if we had the power in the course of a conversation to change a persons mind about their belief in Jesus and the gospel, should we do it?  I’ll add that this person is doing not just good, but great work towards others, is productive and is a happy and contented human being.  Would it be wise to change that persons mind about his/her belief? 
Obviously, yes,  in a situtation where the belief is destructive causing more harm to self and others.  Thanks.  I am interested in your perspective.

I agree.  Personally, I would be reluctant to try to change someone’s mind if they found their beliefs to give them purpose and comfort, and when they aren’t causing any harm to anyone else.

As LadyJane said earlier, “Isn’t there still a way to have respect for the faithful while disregarding the beliefs they have faith in?”.

Can you respect Nazis, White Supremacists, ISIS etc while disregarding the beliefs they have faith in? Sure, people do it everyday, but what does that get you other then the self-righteous high of sitting on the fence singing kumbaya?

I rather enjoy sitting on the fence singing kumbaya.

Really ... you’re going to compare Christianity to nazism, white supremacy, ISIS, etc.?  The general message/teachings followed by most non-fundamentalist Christians is one of love, peace, charity, etc.  Many religious people lead lives that are to be admired.  I don’t believe it is justified to dismiss these people just because we do not share or agree with their beliefs.

[If you read my earlier post, I said “when they aren’t causing any harm to anyone else”.]

[ Edited: 13 April 2017 10:20 by Jan_CAN]
 
 
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