Impervious to Learning

 
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Impervious to Learning

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/why-is-donald-trump-still-so-horribly-witless-about-the-world?mbid=nl_170805_Daily&CNDID=22703678&spMailingID=11630713&spUserID=MTMzMTc5ODQyMDEwS0&spJobID=1220400046&spReportId=MTIyMDQwMDA0NgS2

Now imagine a six-year-old Neanderthal boy sitting beside his father watching him make a stone spear-point.  The boy has his own piece of flint and is mimicking the elder’s technique.  The father looks at his son’s attempt and says, “Not bad.  You are learning.  We have done it this way forever.  (for the last 100,000 years).

That winter the boy’s clan is almost wiped out by famine, and he is rescued and adopted by a clan of Homo sapiens.  As he grows up, the sapiens teach him how to make more refined spear points and how to make a bow and arrow and the delicate stone points for the arrows.  As a young man, while on a hunt, the Neanderthal youth comes across a band of his own people, is attracted to a young woman, and goes back to live with her clan.  He makes spear points the way his father taught him . . . the way it has been done forever, for 100,000 years, not the way the sapiens make theirs - delicate and fussy, much more prone to break in the chipping process.

Is such a story comparable to modern Americans who go to school for 12 years and who are exposed to NOVA science programs and National Geographic nature programs for 12 years - but who continue to believe that the planet is 6000 years old and therefore Darwin’s discovery is false . . . and who teach those convictions to their children who grow up and teach it to their children who in turn go through 12 years of school impervious to learning?

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05 August 2017 16:46
 

Not impervious. Some learn faster than others.

 
 
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Dennis Campbell - 05 August 2017 04:46 PM

Not impervious. Some learn faster than others.

Do you think another 100,000 years would do it? 

If you’ve got a design that works, is it risky to change it?  Suppose Neanderthals succeeded for at least 150,000 years, and crocodiles for 200,000,000 years, can they be blamed for being stick-in-the-muds?

stick-in-the-mud -  one who is slow, old fashioned, or unprogressive -  (Webster)

 
 
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Saw an example of “almost impervious” Friday night at a production of Shakespeare’s Winter’s Tale. A main character (the king of Sicily), in the first half of the play, grabs onto a trivial detail to come to believe that his wife and best friend are having an affair. There is no other evidence and everybody else tells him he’s got it all wrong but he angrily rejects all of this, bringing himself into a state of total craziness. He even rejects the oracle from Apollo (with the appropriate punishment). What I wondered, and Dennis, perhaps you can enlighten me on this, is what sort of psychological condition is is when a person grabs onto something like this, refuses to listen or look at evidence, and seems in a total panic about having to be correct, even though what they insist they are correct about is obviously wrong and is strongly to their detriment if they are correct?

 
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burt - 06 August 2017 04:32 PM

. . . what sort of psychological condition is is when a person grabs onto something like this, refuses to listen or look at evidence, and seems in a total panic about having to be correct, even though what they insist they are correct about is obviously wrong and is strongly to their detriment if they are correct?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/how-creationism-hurts-christian-collegesand-their-students

quoted from this article: “As students learn science, they discover that they have been misled by their religious upbringing. They discover that evolution is not tottering and about to collapse; the Big Bang is not an unfounded speculation; the earth is clearly very old; Noah’s flood can’t possibly have been worldwide; and the scientific community is not filled with secularist lemmings. The result is an intellectual crisis and many young Christians simply walk away from their faith with a feeling of betrayal.”

 

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What I wondered, and Dennis, perhaps you can enlighten me on this, is what sort of psychological condition is is when a person grabs onto something like this, refuses to listen or look at evidence, and seems in a total panic about having to be correct, even though what they insist they are correct about is obviously wrong and is strongly to their detriment if they are correct?

Called dissonance reduction in that new perceptions are preferred that are consistent with one’s apperceptive mass, and if not tend to be rejected.

 
 
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07 August 2017 18:22
 
burt - 06 August 2017 04:32 PM

Saw an example of “almost impervious” Friday night at a production of Shakespeare’s Winter’s Tale. A main character (the king of Sicily), in the first half of the play, grabs onto a trivial detail to come to believe that his wife and best friend are having an affair. There is no other evidence and everybody else tells him he’s got it all wrong but he angrily rejects all of this, bringing himself into a state of total craziness. He even rejects the oracle from Apollo (with the appropriate punishment). What I wondered, and Dennis, perhaps you can enlighten me on this, is what sort of psychological condition is is when a person grabs onto something like this, refuses to listen or look at evidence, and seems in a total panic about having to be correct, even though what they insist they are correct about is obviously wrong and is strongly to their detriment if they are correct?


Teflon for positive, velcro for negative, as the saying goes. It seems logical that having something of a ‘paranoia bias’ would have served obvious evolutionary benefits in our ancestors’ past.

 
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09 August 2017 21:12
 

In his father (Fred’s) eyes, dumb-dumb Donny was the runt of the litter.  (NB: He self-titled his other son, Freddy, and not Donny.  This fact is not merely incidental—in the context of their infamous family’s history.).

If daddy Drumpf could have had Freddy take the reigns of his business, he surely would have.  However, since that son actually had a head on his shoulders and instead chose an academic path, over a avaricious one, Fred was left with no choice but to bestow his empire to his misfit son — thus, rendering the world in the parlous state it is right now.  One only needs to take a cursory glance at the profligate pea-brain’s past, to immediately realise that he is a literal incarnation of the spoilt brat man-child, who has never grown out of this adolescence archetype.

If there was ever an argument against unrestrained capitalism, wealth hording and entrained nepotism, then the current POTUS is the lurching, obese, flatulence phonating embodiment of it.  May Satan (a.k.a. Yahweh) help us all…

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Dumaya - 09 August 2017 09:12 PM

In his father (Fred’s) eyes, dumb-dumb Donny was the runt of the litter.  (NB: He self-titled his other son, Freddy, and not Donny.  This fact is not merely incidental—in the context of their infamous family’s history.).

If daddy Drumpf could have had Freddy take the reigns of his business, he surely would have.  However, since that son actually had a head on his shoulders and instead an academic path over a avaricious one, Fred was left with no choice but to bestow his empire to his misfit son — thus, rendering the world in the parlous state it is right now.  One only needs a cursory glance at the profligate pea-brain’s past, to immediately realise that he is a literal incarnation of the spoil brat man-child who has never grown out of adolescence archetype.

If there was ever an argument against unrestrained capitalism, wealth hording and entrained nepotism, then the current POTUS is the lurching, obese, flatulence phonating embodiment of it.  May Satan (a.k.a. Yahweh) help us all…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwsTM6dMeCs

“Our country now appears, as at no other time in her history, like a lumbering, bellicose, dim-witted giant.  Anyone who cares about the fate of civilization would do well to recognize that the combination of great power and great stupidity is simply terrifying, even to one’s friends.”  -  Sam Harris writing in his book, ‘LETTER TO A CHRISTIAN NATION’.  (circa 2006)

Time Magazine interviews Yuval Noah Harari - http://time.com/4672373/yuval-noah-harari-homo-deus-interview/

quote from this interview: 
“Ignorance is not too dangerous. If you combine it with power, then this is a toxic mix.”  -  Y.N. Harari - author of ‘SAPIENS’ and ‘HOMO DEUS’

 

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unsmoked - 10 August 2017 09:53 AM

“Our country now appears, as at no other time in her history, like a lumbering, bellicose, dim-witted giant.  Anyone who cares about the fate of civilization would do well to recognize that the combination of great power and great stupidity is simply terrifying, even to one’s friends.”

Although fundamentally, contemporaneously true; I’d argue that this has always been the case.  At least since after the Northern War of Aggression (a.k.a. “Civil War”) — after which, the U.S. became a plutocracy, then kleptocracy; culminating in the kakistocracy it is today.

After all, were it not for the hegemonic void the efeete post-WW2 world left for the U.S. to fill / fall into, it’s reasonable to assume the U.S. would not have become the infamous “U.S.” it subsequently manifested as.  I mean, even from a purely military standpoint — the only genuine string to the burger bow, and the only bulwark against the accession of rival imperial aspirants — everything the U.S. has is thanks to Nazi science and Jewish nous.

The U.S. has always been “the U.S.” (*epithet) — Britain never sent its best and brightest.  Rather, its rapists and drug dealers.  It’s just that now — through the free flow of information afforded by the Digital Age — the true ‘U.S.-ness’ of the U.S., has been laid bare.

“This little thing called the Internet ... makes it much harder to govern”
—John Kerry (Aug. 13, 2013)

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