Accelerators  as a scientific Sisyphus stone. / by Israel Socratus /

 
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  Accelerators  as a scientific Sisyphus stone. / by Israel Socratus /
Accelerators  are Useless and produce Nothing for humankind.
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In 1906, Rutherford studied internal structure of atoms,
bombarding them with high energy a- particles.
This idea helped him to understand the structure of atom.
But the clever Devil interfered and gave advice to physicists
to enlarge the energy of bombarding  the target.
And physicist created huge cannon-accelerators of particles.
And they began to bomb micro particles in the  vacuum,  in hoping
to understand their inner structure. And they were surprised with
the results of this bombing. Several hundreds of completely new
strange particles appeared. They lived a very little  time and do not
relate to our world. Our Earth needs electron and proton to create atom.
But this was forgotten.
What God carefully created, it is destroyed in accelerators.
And they are proud of that. They say: we study the inner structure
of the particles. The clever and artful Devil is glad. He again has deceived man.
Physicist think, that an accelerator – is first of all the presence of huge energy.
And the Devil laughs. He knows, that accelerator – is first of all is the Vacuum.
But this, he has withhold from man.
He has not explained that the Vacuum is infinite and inexhaustible.
And in infinite vacuum  is contained an infinite variety of particles.
And by bombing the vacuum, one can find centaurs and sphinxes.
But my God, save us from their presence on Earth.
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Rutherford was right.
His followers are mistaken.
Why?
Imagine, that I want to plant a small apple- tree.
For this purpose I shall dig out a hole of 1 meter width and 1,20 m depth.
It is normal.
But if to plant a small apple- tree,  I shall begin to dig out a hole
  with 100  meters size and depth, will you call me a normal man?
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Imagine a man who breaks watches on the wall.
And then he tries to understand the mechanism of the watches
by thrown cogwheels, springs and small screws.
Does he have many chances to success ?
As many as the scientists have who trys to understand
the inner structure of electron by breaking them into accelerators.
If not take into account the initial conditions of Genesis,
the fantasies of the scientists may be unlimited.
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The Nature works very economical.
For example, biologists know 100 ( hundred ) kinds of
amino acids. But only 20 ( twenty) kinds of amino acids
are suitable to produce molecules of protein, from which all
different cells created on our planet. What are about another
80 % of amino acids? They are dead end of evolution.
The physicists found many ( 1000 ) new elementary particles in
accelerators. But we need only one ( 1) electron and one (1 )
proton to create first atom, to begin to create the Nature.
All another elementary particles (mesons, muons , bosons, taus,
all their girlfriends – antiparticles, all quarks and antiquarks…etc)
are dead end of evolution.
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The critical density of matter in the whole universe is very small
( approximately 10-26 kg/m3 )  and therefore the universe is not ‘‘closed’‘
it is ‘‘open’’—infinite and   all the masses of galaxies exist in this infinite Vacuum.
So, instead of understand what Vacuum is,  instead to understand
‘‘Where did electron and proton come from?’‘  the physicists break them in the
pieces, trying to understand their inner structure.
This is scientific Sisyphus work. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accelerators_in_particle_physics  
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Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik   Socratus.
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20 August 2017 06:32
 

  Somebody wrote:
‘‘There are over 30,000 particle accelerators all over the world,
so what are they used for? ‘’
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The higher  will climb Sisyphus the stone the  higher potential energy
the stone will have and then faster it will roll  down.
And if the speed of stone will be near to speed of quantum of light and
it meets another stone   then  we will have approximately  LHC effect.
Why ‘‘approximately’’ ?
We need vacuum in order to LHC effect be punctual.
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socratus - 19 August 2017 11:14 PM

  ...in infinite vacuum is contained an infinite variety of particles.

But my God, save us from their presence on Earth.

Socratus,

Your post is an example of why I have reduced my posting.  Its just more of the same.
I don’t know how many subatomic particles are present in the universe, but YOUR GOD hasn’t saved you from them. 
You are made of them.

I have learned that posters similar to you are immune to logic
and the use of satire (There are some who consider it ridicule) has been limited at this forum.
So rather than lampoon your post, I will change the subject.

Do you think the Yankees will win the World Series this year?

 
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jdrnd - 20 August 2017 07:33 AM

So rather than lampoon your post, I will change the subject.

Please, don’t change the subject.
Write your lampoon about my post.
It will be very interesting to read your ideas.
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20 August 2017 10:07
 

At least it is a conversation. Make the best of it. This is a discussion forum.

I glean from your post some kind of case against particle accelerators. They’ll be hard to stop.

 
 
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20 August 2017 10:14
 
socratus - 20 August 2017 10:00 AM
jdrnd - 20 August 2017 07:33 AM

So rather than lampoon your post, I will change the subject.

Please, don’t change the subject.
Write your lampoon about my post.
It will be very interesting to read your ideas.
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It’s hard to understand your posts as they are written like science fiction prose.

 
 
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20 August 2017 10:22
 
GAD - 20 August 2017 10:14 AM
socratus - 20 August 2017 10:00 AM
jdrnd - 20 August 2017 07:33 AM

So rather than lampoon your post, I will change the subject.

Please, don’t change the subject.
Write your lampoon about my post.
It will be very interesting to read your ideas.
===========================

It’s hard to understand your posts as they are written like science fiction prose.

What is your opinion about LHC ?
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20 August 2017 11:03
 
socratus - 20 August 2017 10:22 AM
GAD - 20 August 2017 10:14 AM
socratus - 20 August 2017 10:00 AM
jdrnd - 20 August 2017 07:33 AM

So rather than lampoon your post, I will change the subject.

Please, don’t change the subject.
Write your lampoon about my post.
It will be very interesting to read your ideas.
===========================

It’s hard to understand your posts as they are written like science fiction prose.

What is your opinion about LHC ?
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It’s amazing and a triumph of human understanding and science.

 
 
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20 August 2017 11:40
 

I agree with Mr. GAD. Though I wonder if anyone has considered the possibilities for secondary uses once they accomplish whatever it is they’re up to? How about a rally stage for mini-coopers? Or a B & B?

 
 
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Nhoj Morley - 20 August 2017 11:40 AM

I agree with Mr. GAD. Though I wonder if anyone has considered the possibilities for secondary uses once they accomplish whatever it is they’re up to? How about a rally stage for mini-coopers? Or a B & B?

I’d pay to stay there! You could also hold 27 kilometres races.

 
 
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20 August 2017 22:32
 
GAD - 20 August 2017 11:03 AM
socratus - 20 August 2017 10:22 AM
GAD - 20 August 2017 10:14 AM
socratus - 20 August 2017 10:00 AM
jdrnd - 20 August 2017 07:33 AM

So rather than lampoon your post, I will change the subject.

Please, don’t change the subject.
Write your lampoon about my post.
It will be very interesting to read your ideas.
===========================

It’s hard to understand your posts as they are written like science fiction prose.

What is your opinion about LHC ?
==========================

It’s amazing and a triumph of human understanding and science.

We are all amazing of the high modern technology that scientists give us.
We are all amazing of the high technology that scientists use on accelerators.
But what is the purpose of accelerators project ?
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20 August 2017 23:55
 
socratus - 20 August 2017 10:32 PM
GAD - 20 August 2017 11:03 AM
socratus - 20 August 2017 10:22 AM
GAD - 20 August 2017 10:14 AM
socratus - 20 August 2017 10:00 AM
jdrnd - 20 August 2017 07:33 AM

So rather than lampoon your post, I will change the subject.

Please, don’t change the subject.
Write your lampoon about my post.
It will be very interesting to read your ideas.
===========================

It’s hard to understand your posts as they are written like science fiction prose.

What is your opinion about LHC ?
==========================

It’s amazing and a triumph of human understanding and science.

We are all amazing of the high modern technology that scientists give us.
We are all amazing of the high technology that scientists use on accelerators.
But what is the purpose of accelerators project ?
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The advancement of human understanding and science.

 
 
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21 August 2017 00:06
 
GAD - 20 August 2017 11:55 PM
socratus - 20 August 2017 10:32 PM
GAD - 20 August 2017 11:03 AM
socratus - 20 August 2017 10:22 AM
GAD - 20 August 2017 10:14 AM
socratus - 20 August 2017 10:00 AM
jdrnd - 20 August 2017 07:33 AM

So rather than lampoon your post, I will change the subject.

Please, don’t change the subject.
Write your lampoon about my post.
It will be very interesting to read your ideas.
===========================

It’s hard to understand your posts as they are written like science fiction prose.

What is your opinion about LHC ?
==========================

It’s amazing and a triumph of human understanding and science.

We are all amazing of the high modern technology that scientists give us.
We are all amazing of the high technology that scientists use on accelerators.
But what is the purpose of accelerators project ?
=================

The advancement of human understanding and science.

Doesn’t it mean to understand what quantum particle is
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21 August 2017 03:36
 
GAD - 20 August 2017 11:03 AM
socratus - 20 August 2017 10:22 AM
GAD - 20 August 2017 10:14 AM
socratus - 20 August 2017 10:00 AM
jdrnd - 20 August 2017 07:33 AM

So rather than lampoon your post, I will change the subject.

Please, don’t change the subject.
Write your lampoon about my post.
It will be very interesting to read your ideas.
===========================

It’s hard to understand your posts as they are written like science fiction prose.

What is your opinion about LHC ?
==========================

It’s amazing and a triumph of human understanding and science.

About a triumph of human understanding and science.
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Einstein said sadly :
‘’ All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me
no nearer to the answer to the question, ‘What are light quanta?’
Nowadays every Tom, Dick and Harry thinks he knows it,
but he is mistaken. ‘’

Feynman wrote about a “little blob of a definite amount” (electron):
“ It is important to realize that in physics today,
we have no knowledge of what energy is.
We do not have a picture that energy comes in little
blobs of a definite amount. “

Without light/ quantum of light and electron there isn’t life on the Earth.

But ‘‘ the brightest and best- educated scientists’’ explain everything but
they don’t give answer what quantum of light is and what electron is.
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Without light/ quantum of light and electron there isn’t life on the Earth.

But ‘‘ the brightest and best- educated scientists’’ explain everything but
they don’t give answer what quantum of light is and what electron is.
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But you know what a quantum of light and an electron is???

 
 
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26 August 2017 07:01
 

    LHC group works very hard to discover new particles.
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  In accelerators the particles  smash into each other.
  What is the purpose of accelerators  project ?
The purpose is to produce new particles and understand their
inner structure and ,maybe,  to find the primary particle of nature.
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‘’ On 8 October 2013 the Nobel prize in physics was awarded jointly to
François Englert  and Peter Higgs “for the theoretical discovery of
a mechanism that contributes to our understanding of the origin of mass
of subatomic particles ‘’
Very well.
But the principle of acceleration says:
The higher the energy of acceleration the more changes to discover new particles.
So, if energy of LHC will be higher then new particles will be discovered.
But the energy of LHC is limited by Earth sizes.
The Earth conditions is limited to have very - very high energy and therefore
our knowledge to understand the primary quantum particle using LHC is useless.
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On the other hand, Lee Smolin wrote: ‘‘ the brightest and best- educated scientists’’
work very hard to develop the  ‘‘string theory’’
They hope that  the truth is hidden in the ‘’ string theory ’’.
But to observe string particle needs  LHC roughly the size of the solar system.
It is impossible to create such LHC.
So, string theory is mathematical and no physical project.
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We know that  the purpose of accelerators  project is: to study new particles
after the particles  was smashed  into each other.
Then physicists begin to calculate the energy before and after smashing,
in order to  ‘‘The Law of Conservation and Transformation energy/mass’’

In different time i read two different books
(one physicists was rassian, other physicists was amatican- israeli)
They explain the situation after smashing in obvious way:

Image, that not two particles , but two buses / trucks smash into each other.
As result of this accident  we have:  2 helicopters,  3 cars, 7 motor-cycles,
15 bicycles, 20 carriages and cloud of butterflies.
It is very hard to calculate their  energy and  it needs very highly skilled
mathematicians to make this work.
( because many butterflies- particles live very -very short time)

Reading this explanation i was very surprised. 
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