Timothy Snyder Speaks

 
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21 November 2017 14:48
 

Timothy Snyder, historian and podcast guest (episode #79), has started a series of talks that provides his observations and views on Trump, Russia, etc…

Ep. 1: Russia Defeats America https://youtu.be/Ej_D0YkDjy8

Ep. 2: America Defeats Americahttps://youtu.be/nOQoXwIIbW8

Ep. 3 What is Oligarchy? https://youtu.be/biZVrh821RA

Ep. 4: Sadopopulism. https://youtu.be/oOjJtEkKMX4

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25 November 2017 18:22
 

Episode 3: The Oligarchy https://youtu.be/biZVrh821RA

 
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26 November 2017 05:01
 

Timothy Snyder has some weird points of view on the holocaust:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0328FPu5IxM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfgQWc4q2Bo&t=1610s

Why weird? Well listen to this:

“There is no master plan! There is never a master plan ...There is no particular moment in my view where there is a decision to carry out killing the jews.”

He almost sounds like a pupil of David Irving doesn’t he?

Well yes and no. So how does he explain the holocaust?

Antisemitism in connection with state destruction lead to the holocaust. That’s his thesis. Creating a state of anarchy allows humans to become beasts.

It works quite well for the holocaust by bullets. State authority seized to exist on the eastern front, where the Soviet and German Armies were battling. This is where millions of Jews were shot by the so called “Einsatzgruppen”.

http://www.memorialdelashoah.org/upload/minisites/ukraine/en/en_exposition4-radicalisation.htm

It doesn’t work at all in the concentration camps, which were run by the state and which were run according to strict rules, no anarchy. The rules and regulations were called “Kommandaturbefehle”.

https://www.amazon.de/Darstellungen-Quellen-Geschichte-Auschwitz-Konzentrationslagers/dp/3598240309

This is why Snyder does not talk a whole lot about Auschwitz. Auschwitz is only mentioned in passing as if he felt uncomfortable about it.

Is this the best history a Yale professor can publish about the holocaust?

Please share your points of view. Is professor Snyder right or wrong?

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26 November 2017 07:43
 

I definitely think that he brings some new ideas on the holocaust that are worth considering.  Have you listened to his lecture at the Holocaust Museum?
https://youtu.be/AY2UL1B01Fs

 
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mapadofu - 26 November 2017 07:43 AM

I definitely think that he brings some new ideas on the holocaust that are worth considering.  Have you listened to his lecture at the Holocaust Museum?
https://youtu.be/AY2UL1B01Fs

Thanks, I am just listening to his talk. Snyder is arguing that the concentration camps are not run by the state because they are run by the SS, the SS being a party organisation. But, he also states that the Nazi state is a party state. Thus, party and state are virtually identical. Last but not least, he cannot claim that a state of anarchy is created within the concentration camps. They are run according to strict rules and if SS members don’t obey these rules then they are punished.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Konrad_Morgen

Konrad Morgan was an SS judge who convicted SS members for crimes committed within concentration camps. Some of the convicted criminals were even executed. Thus, there is no lack or order, there is no anarchy within the concentration camps.

Snyder is just wrong. There is no way that his explanation stands up to scrutiny.

Timothy Snyder is one of the smartest historians of the world. He speaks 5 languages fluently and has done extensive research. He teaches at one of the most prestigious universities of the world. He is a genius! How could he fall for a theory that is easily refuted?

In my opinion, these are the reasons:

1. The center of gravity of the holocaust is shifted away from the concentration camps to the eastern holocaust by bullets.
This is good because there is lots of documentary evidence for mass shootings of Jews.
2. The blame for the holocaust is shifted on many shoulders.
All the peoples who helped or supported the Germans can be made responsible. Poles, Ukrainians, Russians, Lithuanians, Poles ... can be made directly responsible for the holocaust. The Germans had a cop out by claiming that they knew nothing about it because the holocaust was secretly put into practice in concentration camps. This explanation is no longer credible since the center of the holocaust has been shifted into the open fields of eastern Europe.
3. He can bust the myth that the holocaust was an orderly and well organized state operation. The evidence seems to suggest the opposite. Several widely differing killing methods were chosen. There were gas chambers, gas wagons, Cyclon B, Carbon monoxide, Diesel exhaust and shootings. The corpses were either buried, then dug up, burned in open fires in ditches or in crematoria. Every place appears to have followed a different method. This is not surprising if the holocaust was not centrally organized.
4. Last but not least, the holocaust can be explained in spite of the fact that Hitler did not issue any order to kill all the Jews. Snyder does not believe that any decision to kill all the Jews was ever taken. He solves this problem quite well.

That’s what makes his theory so appealing to Snyder. But, the theory completely falls apart when trying to explain the holocaust in concentration camps such as Auschwitz or Treblinka. If Snyder wants to save his theory he has to decommission the gas chambers of Auschwitz. I doubt that he will do this. So he sticks to his theory and lives with cognitive dissonance. That’s my explanation.

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mapadofu - 26 November 2017 07:43 AM

I definitely think that he brings some new ideas on the holocaust that are worth considering.  Have you listened to his lecture at the Holocaust Museum?
https://youtu.be/AY2UL1B01Fs

I’ve just listened to the end of the video. This made me aware of an additional problem of his theory, namely,

What is Hitler’s role in the holocaust? If his only contribution was to destroy states as a consequence of war, then is contribution is minimal. Then, the holocaust did not come about due to Hitler’s will but merely by accident, since Hitler did not want to destroy states, Hitler wanted to conquer states.

How does Snyder try to solve this problem? He quotes extensively from “Mein Kampf” to no avail. In the end he claims, that Hitler’s true aim was to destroy states. Hitler was an anarchist! Therefore, he is directly responsible for the holocaust!

That’s extraordinary, isn’t it? At the end of the talk, he is interviewed. He is asked: If Hitler wanted to destroy states, then why didn’t he destroy the German state? Answer: He wanted to use the German state in order to destroy other states by conquering them. Question: If he wanted to destroy the conquered states then why did he erect puppet states in virtually all the countries he occupied. Poland, France, Netherlands, Belgium…. well well, listen to how Snyder changes the topic when answering the question. He talks about correlations between statehood and Jewish survivals and on and on and on… He talks one’s head of. But, he cannot explain why Hitler didn’t create anarchy in the occupied territories, since that was his supposed goal.

I am truly amazed about how a brilliant person like Timothy Snyder can talk so much without making any sense.

 
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03 December 2017 07:07
 

Ep. 4 Sadopopulism https://youtu.be/oOjJtEkKMX4