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Old Testament Theme Parks, Movies, Museums - a Christian Thing?

 
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Do Jewish families go to visit the Noah’s Ark theme park in Kentucky?  https://arkencounter.com/about-the-ark/ 

Do Israelis go to see Hollywood productions about Moses and the Decalogue, or the flight from Egypt with the parting of the Red Sea?

In Israel, are there Old Testament theme parks like the Garden of Eden, with actors, lush vegetation, and a snake?  Do Israeli artists make statues of Lot’s wife carved from salt?

If the answer is ‘no’, is it because, in general, Jews don’t confuse history with mythology?  Are there fundamentalist regions in Israel where science teachers in public schools are expected to teach the Genesis story of humanity’s origin?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/17/us/politics/bible-museum-hobby-lobby-washington.html

 
 
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unsmoked - 06 December 2017 09:32 AM

Do Jewish families go to visit the Noah’s Ark theme park in Kentucky?  https://arkencounter.com/about-the-ark/ 

Do Israelis go to see Hollywood productions about Moses and the Decalogue, or the flight from Egypt with the parting of the Red Sea?

In Israel, are there Old Testament theme parks like the Garden of Eden, with actors, lush vegetation, and a snake?  Do Israeli artists make statues of Lot’s wife carved from salt?

If the answer is ‘no’, is it because, in general, Jews don’t confuse history with mythology?  Are there fundamentalist regions in Israel where science teachers in public schools are expected to teach the Genesis story of humanity’s origin?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/17/us/politics/bible-museum-hobby-lobby-washington.html

The answer is, actually, yes, Israel has been avidly establishing “old testament” themed parks that are like the Christian ones in that they’re based on religious mythology, e.g.,

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/charlotte-silver/right-wing-groups-theft-palestinian-heritage-outlined-new-study, https://electronicintifada.net/content/jerusalem-familys-home-destroyed-israel-second-time-two-years/14019

In fact, it’s perfectly legitimate to call the state of Israel an old testament themed endeavor, for example, the name (Israel) called after a mythological place that likely never existed, and most certainly didn’t exist in most of the modern territory named after the mythological place.  Probably plenty of Israelis see the Hollywood productions of Moses (who probably didn’t exist either).

Most certainly, many Jews confuse history with mythology, especially zionist Jews, though perhaps one shouldn’t fault them for being so blinded by zionist myth-makers.

[ Edited: 06 December 2017 14:30 by lynmc]
 
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lynmc - 06 December 2017 02:27 PM
unsmoked - 06 December 2017 09:32 AM

Do Jewish families go to visit the Noah’s Ark theme park in Kentucky?  https://arkencounter.com/about-the-ark/ 

Do Israelis go to see Hollywood productions about Moses and the Decalogue, or the flight from Egypt with the parting of the Red Sea?

In Israel, are there Old Testament theme parks like the Garden of Eden, with actors, lush vegetation, and a snake?  Do Israeli artists make statues of Lot’s wife carved from salt?

If the answer is ‘no’, is it because, in general, Jews don’t confuse history with mythology?  Are there fundamentalist regions in Israel where science teachers in public schools are expected to teach the Genesis story of humanity’s origin?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/17/us/politics/bible-museum-hobby-lobby-washington.html

The answer is, actually, yes, Israel has been avidly establishing “old testament” themed parks that are like the Christian ones in that they’re based on religious mythology, e.g.,

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/charlotte-silver/right-wing-groups-theft-palestinian-heritage-outlined-new-study, https://electronicintifada.net/content/jerusalem-familys-home-destroyed-israel-second-time-two-years/14019

In fact, it’s perfectly legitimate to call the state of Israel an old testament themed endeavor, for example, the name (Israel) called after a mythological place that likely never existed, and most certainly didn’t exist in most of the modern territory named after the mythological place.  Probably plenty of Israelis see the Hollywood productions of Moses (who probably didn’t exist either).

Most certainly, many Jews confuse history with mythology, especially zionist Jews, though perhaps one shouldn’t fault them for being so blinded by zionist myth-makers.

Gal Gadot is ‘Wonder Woman’.

Extremists are attracted to crazy mythology, as I’m sure lynmc can elucidate upon.

 
 
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07 December 2017 09:15
 
ubique13 - 07 December 2017 05:24 AM
lynmc - 06 December 2017 02:27 PM
unsmoked - 06 December 2017 09:32 AM

Do Jewish families go to visit the Noah’s Ark theme park in Kentucky?  https://arkencounter.com/about-the-ark/ 

Do Israelis go to see Hollywood productions about Moses and the Decalogue, or the flight from Egypt with the parting of the Red Sea?

In Israel, are there Old Testament theme parks like the Garden of Eden, with actors, lush vegetation, and a snake?  Do Israeli artists make statues of Lot’s wife carved from salt?

If the answer is ‘no’, is it because, in general, Jews don’t confuse history with mythology?  Are there fundamentalist regions in Israel where science teachers in public schools are expected to teach the Genesis story of humanity’s origin?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/17/us/politics/bible-museum-hobby-lobby-washington.html

The answer is, actually, yes, Israel has been avidly establishing “old testament” themed parks that are like the Christian ones in that they’re based on religious mythology, e.g.,

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/charlotte-silver/right-wing-groups-theft-palestinian-heritage-outlined-new-study, https://electronicintifada.net/content/jerusalem-familys-home-destroyed-israel-second-time-two-years/14019

In fact, it’s perfectly legitimate to call the state of Israel an old testament themed endeavor, for example, the name (Israel) called after a mythological place that likely never existed, and most certainly didn’t exist in most of the modern territory named after the mythological place.  Probably plenty of Israelis see the Hollywood productions of Moses (who probably didn’t exist either).

Most certainly, many Jews confuse history with mythology, especially zionist Jews, though perhaps one shouldn’t fault them for being so blinded by zionist myth-makers.

Gal Gadot is ‘Wonder Woman’.

Extremists are attracted to crazy mythology, as I’m sure lynmc can elucidate upon.

‘Wonder Woman’ is crazy mythology, to which you seem very attracted.

Edit: and Gal Gadot, in real life, is rather a cheerleader for mass murder.

[ Edited: 07 December 2017 09:22 by lynmc]
 
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07 December 2017 10:43
 
lynmc - 07 December 2017 09:15 AM
ubique13 - 07 December 2017 05:24 AM
lynmc - 06 December 2017 02:27 PM
unsmoked - 06 December 2017 09:32 AM

Do Jewish families go to visit the Noah’s Ark theme park in Kentucky?  https://arkencounter.com/about-the-ark/ 

Do Israelis go to see Hollywood productions about Moses and the Decalogue, or the flight from Egypt with the parting of the Red Sea?

In Israel, are there Old Testament theme parks like the Garden of Eden, with actors, lush vegetation, and a snake?  Do Israeli artists make statues of Lot’s wife carved from salt?

If the answer is ‘no’, is it because, in general, Jews don’t confuse history with mythology?  Are there fundamentalist regions in Israel where science teachers in public schools are expected to teach the Genesis story of humanity’s origin?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/17/us/politics/bible-museum-hobby-lobby-washington.html

The answer is, actually, yes, Israel has been avidly establishing “old testament” themed parks that are like the Christian ones in that they’re based on religious mythology, e.g.,

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/charlotte-silver/right-wing-groups-theft-palestinian-heritage-outlined-new-study, https://electronicintifada.net/content/jerusalem-familys-home-destroyed-israel-second-time-two-years/14019

In fact, it’s perfectly legitimate to call the state of Israel an old testament themed endeavor, for example, the name (Israel) called after a mythological place that likely never existed, and most certainly didn’t exist in most of the modern territory named after the mythological place.  Probably plenty of Israelis see the Hollywood productions of Moses (who probably didn’t exist either).

Most certainly, many Jews confuse history with mythology, especially zionist Jews, though perhaps one shouldn’t fault them for being so blinded by zionist myth-makers.

Gal Gadot is ‘Wonder Woman’.

Extremists are attracted to crazy mythology, as I’m sure lynmc can elucidate upon.

‘Wonder Woman’ is crazy mythology, to which you seem very attracted.

Edit: and Gal Gadot, in real life, is rather a cheerleader for mass murder.

‘Wonder Woman’ is a story. Your inability to comprehend the significance of Gal Gadot playing a role in this story seems to say little, beyond whatever myopic prejudices that you may have regarding your perception of the State of Israel. An individual is not responsible for the circumstances of their birth, only how they choose to utilize whatever opportunities may present themselves.

 
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/17/us/politics/bible-museum-hobby-lobby-washington.html

I wonder if a museum like this will be built near Trump’s new U.S. embassy in Jerusalem?

quote from this New York Times article about the $500,000,000 museum near the Capitol in Washington D.C.:

“They don’t do a good job of talking about whether parts of the Bible are historically accurate,” Mr. Baden said.  (end quote)

Q:  Is it history that God gave Moses the Ten Commandments on Mt. Sinai?  Or was it Mt. Horeb?  Or some place in Saudi Arabia?  Notice that by speculating on which mountain it was, believers turn their attention away from the fact that this story is mythology, not history.

 

 
 
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ubique13 - 07 December 2017 10:43 AM
lynmc - 07 December 2017 09:15 AM
ubique13 - 07 December 2017 05:24 AM
lynmc - 06 December 2017 02:27 PM
unsmoked - 06 December 2017 09:32 AM

Do Jewish families go to visit the Noah’s Ark theme park in Kentucky?  https://arkencounter.com/about-the-ark/ 

Do Israelis go to see Hollywood productions about Moses and the Decalogue, or the flight from Egypt with the parting of the Red Sea?

In Israel, are there Old Testament theme parks like the Garden of Eden, with actors, lush vegetation, and a snake?  Do Israeli artists make statues of Lot’s wife carved from salt?

If the answer is ‘no’, is it because, in general, Jews don’t confuse history with mythology?  Are there fundamentalist regions in Israel where science teachers in public schools are expected to teach the Genesis story of humanity’s origin?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/17/us/politics/bible-museum-hobby-lobby-washington.html

The answer is, actually, yes, Israel has been avidly establishing “old testament” themed parks that are like the Christian ones in that they’re based on religious mythology, e.g.,

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/charlotte-silver/right-wing-groups-theft-palestinian-heritage-outlined-new-study, https://electronicintifada.net/content/jerusalem-familys-home-destroyed-israel-second-time-two-years/14019

In fact, it’s perfectly legitimate to call the state of Israel an old testament themed endeavor, for example, the name (Israel) called after a mythological place that likely never existed, and most certainly didn’t exist in most of the modern territory named after the mythological place.  Probably plenty of Israelis see the Hollywood productions of Moses (who probably didn’t exist either).

Most certainly, many Jews confuse history with mythology, especially zionist Jews, though perhaps one shouldn’t fault them for being so blinded by zionist myth-makers.

Gal Gadot is ‘Wonder Woman’.

Extremists are attracted to crazy mythology, as I’m sure lynmc can elucidate upon.

‘Wonder Woman’ is crazy mythology, to which you seem very attracted.

Edit: and Gal Gadot, in real life, is rather a cheerleader for mass murder.

‘Wonder Woman’ is a story. Your inability to comprehend the significance of Gal Gadot playing a role in this story seems to say little, beyond whatever myopic prejudices that you may have regarding your perception of the State of Israel. An individual is not responsible for the circumstances of their birth, only how they choose to utilize whatever opportunities may present themselves.

I don’t see any significance to Gal Gadot playing the mythological Wonder Woman, other than her body was appropriate according to Hollywood standards.  What significance do you comprehend, that you think I don’t?

What perceptions do you think I have, that you believe are myopic, and what basis do you have for drawing the conclusion they’re myopic?

Gal Gadot may not be responsible for the circumstances of her birth, but that didn’t require her to cheer mass murder.  She is responsible for that.

[ Edited: 08 December 2017 09:01 by lynmc]
 
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unsmoked - 07 December 2017 12:32 PM

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/17/us/politics/bible-museum-hobby-lobby-washington.html

I wonder if a museum like this will be built near Trump’s new U.S. embassy in Jerusalem?

quote from this New York Times article about the $500,000,000 museum near the Capitol in Washington D.C.:

“They don’t do a good job of talking about whether parts of the Bible are historically accurate,” Mr. Baden said.  (end quote)

Q:  Is it history that God gave Moses the Ten Commandments on Mt. Sinai?  Or was it Mt. Horeb?  Or some place in Saudi Arabia?  Notice that by speculating on which mountain it was, believers turn their attention away from the fact that this story is mythology, not history.

I hope no such museum will be built in Jerusalem.  If it is built, I hope it won’t be built on confiscated Palestinian land (as some 80-90% of Israel is).  And I hope they won’t dig up Muslim cemeteries or demolish Palestinian homes with people still inside to build it.

But, mythology has a strong pull.

 
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unsmoked - 06 December 2017 09:32 AM

Do Jewish families go to visit the Noah’s Ark theme park in Kentucky?  https://arkencounter.com/about-the-ark/ 

Do Israelis go to see Hollywood productions about Moses and the Decalogue, or the flight from Egypt with the parting of the Red Sea?

In Israel, are there Old Testament theme parks like the Garden of Eden, with actors, lush vegetation, and a snake?  Do Israeli artists make statues of Lot’s wife carved from salt?

If the answer is ‘no’, is it because, in general, Jews don’t confuse history with mythology?  Are there fundamentalist regions in Israel where science teachers in public schools are expected to teach the Genesis story of humanity’s origin?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/17/us/politics/bible-museum-hobby-lobby-washington.html

Confusing Mythology and History

For example (rephrasing yesterday’s comment), by arguing over which mountain Moses climbed to receive the Ten Commandments from God (which God carved on stone tablets for him, written in Hebrew) believers can be deflected from the inconvenient truth that it wasn’t any of the mountains in question.  Moses coming down the mountain with the stone tablets is a myth.  It never happened.

People argue over the inconsistencies in their holy book.  Religious scholars debate, did this happen or did that happen?  For example, how could Noah build such a huge boat?  How could he round up and care for all those animals?  This deflects the flock’s attention from the obvious - none of it happened.  It is mythology.

https://arkencounter.com/exhibits/

 
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/17/us/politics/bible-museum-hobby-lobby-washington.html

I wonder if a museum like this will be built near Trump’s new U.S. embassy in Jerusalem?

quote from this New York Times article about the $500,000,000 museum near the Capitol in Washington D.C.:

“They don’t do a good job of talking about whether parts of the Bible are historically accurate,” Mr. Baden said.  (end quote)

Q:  Is it history that God gave Moses the Ten Commandments on Mt. Sinai?  Or was it Mt. Horeb?  Or some place in Saudi Arabia?  Notice that by speculating on which mountain it was, believers turn their attention away from the fact that this story is mythology, not history.

I hope no such museum will be built in Jerusalem.  If it is built, I hope it won’t be built on confiscated Palestinian land (as some 80-90% of Israel is).  And I hope they won’t dig up Muslim cemeteries or demolish Palestinian homes with people still inside to build it.

But, mythology has a strong pull.

I should probably clarify my own perspective regarding the State of Israel as it has existed since 1948, as I do not believe that man should ever have played a part in attempting to manifest something that is very much a part of religious mythology. When I consider the implications of what these fucking morons in the White House have done it makes me sick. The direction that the Likud Party (especially under Netanyahu) has pushed the theological agenda of the ultra-Orthodox is unforgivable. Netanyahu is a hate-mongering war criminal whose corruption seems to only be matched by Trump and his sycophants.

To call you myopic is admittedly a bit presumptuous on my part, and I apologize for creating conflict where discussion alone would have sufficed. From my perspective, looking back at history, the relationship that existed between Saladin and Maimonides suggests that there had been a bond between Judaism and Islam which had to have been destroyed by some kind of external influence.

 
 
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But, mythology has a strong pull.

To address what I meant by referencing ‘Wonder Woman’, I didn’t mean to confer some kind of contemporary political/religious righteousness, but rather that the Roman/Greek/Etruscan mythology seems to not garner the attention that it deserves in the broader context. When I consider the literary symbolism, I see a story which depicts a mother trying to protect her daughter from the truth of her birth - that she is the product of rape.

 
 
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unsmoked - 06 December 2017 09:32 AM

Do Jewish families go to visit the Noah’s Ark theme park in Kentucky?  https://arkencounter.com/about-the-ark/ 

Do Israelis go to see Hollywood productions about Moses and the Decalogue, or the flight from Egypt with the parting of the Red Sea?

In Israel, are there Old Testament theme parks like the Garden of Eden, with actors, lush vegetation, and a snake?  Do Israeli artists make statues of Lot’s wife carved from salt?

If the answer is ‘no’, is it because, in general, Jews don’t confuse history with mythology?  Are there fundamentalist regions in Israel where science teachers in public schools are expected to teach the Genesis story of humanity’s origin?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/17/us/politics/bible-museum-hobby-lobby-washington.html

Confusing Mythology and History

For example (rephrasing yesterday’s comment), by arguing over which mountain Moses climbed to receive the Ten Commandments from God (which God carved on stone tablets for him, written in Hebrew) believers can be deflected from the inconvenient truth that it wasn’t any of the mountains in question.  Moses coming down the mountain with the stone tablets is a myth.  It never happened.

People argue over the inconsistencies in their holy book.  Religious scholars debate, did this happen or did that happen?  For example, how could Noah build such a huge boat?  How could he round up and care for all those animals?  This deflects the flock’s attention from the obvious - none of it happened.  It is mythology.

https://arkencounter.com/exhibits/

I always wonder why God wrote the ten commandments using Hebrew (or square Aramaic) script, which was not in use by humans at the time he supposedly wrote it.  It would have been rather difficult for people of the time to decipher.  But, being God, I suppose he might have written it for the people who came into existence hundreds of years later.

 
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ubique13 - 08 December 2017 10:16 AM
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/17/us/politics/bible-museum-hobby-lobby-washington.html

I wonder if a museum like this will be built near Trump’s new U.S. embassy in Jerusalem?

quote from this New York Times article about the $500,000,000 museum near the Capitol in Washington D.C.:

“They don’t do a good job of talking about whether parts of the Bible are historically accurate,” Mr. Baden said.  (end quote)

Q:  Is it history that God gave Moses the Ten Commandments on Mt. Sinai?  Or was it Mt. Horeb?  Or some place in Saudi Arabia?  Notice that by speculating on which mountain it was, believers turn their attention away from the fact that this story is mythology, not history.

I hope no such museum will be built in Jerusalem.  If it is built, I hope it won’t be built on confiscated Palestinian land (as some 80-90% of Israel is).  And I hope they won’t dig up Muslim cemeteries or demolish Palestinian homes with people still inside to build it.

But, mythology has a strong pull.

I should probably clarify my own perspective regarding the State of Israel as it has existed since 1948, as I do not believe that man should ever have played a part in attempting to manifest something that is very much a part of religious mythology. When I consider the implications of what these fucking morons in the White House have done it makes me sick. The direction that the Likud Party (especially under Netanyahu) has pushed the theological agenda of the ultra-Orthodox is unforgivable. Netanyahu is a hate-mongering war criminal whose corruption seems to only be matched by Trump and his sycophants.

To call you myopic is admittedly a bit presumptuous on my part, and I apologize for creating conflict where discussion alone would have sufficed. From my perspective, looking back at history, the relationship that existed between Saladin and Maimonides suggests that there had been a bond between Judaism and Islam which had to have been destroyed by some kind of external influence.

Apology accepted.

I don’t thing the Israeli “left” is significantly better than the Likud “right”.  See, e.g., Israeli ‘leftist hero’ Barak regrets US didn’t recognize Jerusalem 65 years ago.  While I wouldn’t say Jewish-Muslim relations have been consistently good since the founding of Islam (though Muslim regimes have historically been a lot more religiously tolerant than Christian regimes), the destruction of the bond (as you call it) is mostly modern.  It can be largely attributed to the European/Zionist proposal and activity to take over Palestine from it’s indigenous people and give it to Jews.

 
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lynmc - 08 December 2017 09:51 AM

But, mythology has a strong pull.

Alas!  “Once the people are bewitched, their bewitchment lasts a long time.”  -  Lao Tsu

 
 
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Similar myths appear all over the world in different cultures and religions, many have the same theme. History is something different.

We have a legend near us that has a distinct ring to it called the “Lampton Worm”, we even learned the accompanying song at school when we were kids, sung in local accents. And of course it is completely factual…

 
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ubique13 - 08 December 2017 12:45 PM
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But, mythology has a strong pull.

To address what I meant by referencing ‘Wonder Woman’, I didn’t mean to confer some kind of contemporary political/religious righteousness, but rather that the Roman/Greek/Etruscan mythology seems to not garner the attention that it deserves in the broader context. When I consider the literary symbolism, I see a story which depicts a mother trying to protect her daughter from the truth of her birth - that she is the product of rape.

The story and mythology have virtually nothing to do with who plays the part in the movie.  That being said, Gadot’s cheers for mass murder create dissonance with the heroic role.  Purportedly, she also verbally abused a rape victim for allowing herself to be raped, but I guess that story came out after she was given the part. 

One can wish for a lasso of truth, with which to snare zionists including Gadot, but I don’t foresee that happening.

 
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