Ignoring Warning Signs

 
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16 May 2018 10:42
 

When there’s a mass shooting, the followup investigation often turns up warning signs that were ignored by those who knew the shooter.

During his campaign speeches, Donald Trump encouraged his supporters to beat up hecklers, telling them he would pay any legal fees that might result.  He disparaged Mexicans as criminals, rapists, drug dealers.  How could such rhetoric not be taken as a warning sign?  As president, he invited Duterte, strongman of the Philippines, to the White House. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/30/us/politics/trump-invites-rodrigo-duterte-to-the-white-house.html

quote from this article:  “WASHINGTON — President Trump on Saturday invited the president of the Philippines, Rodrigo Duterte, to the White House, embracing an authoritarian leader who is accused of ordering extrajudicial killings of drug suspects and who crudely disparaged Mr. Trump’s predecessor, Barack Obama.

Mr. Trump had a “very friendly conversation with Mr. Duterte,” according to a statement issued by the White House late Saturday. It said that the two leaders “discussed the fact that the Philippines is fighting very hard to rid its country of drugs.”

In fact, Mr. Duterte’s war on drugs has resulted in the deaths of several thousand people suspected of using or selling narcotics, as well as others who may have had no involvement with drugs. Human rights groups and many Western governments have condemned Mr. Duterte for the bloody campaign.” 

quoting from a Washington Post article:  “Shortly after he was elected, Duterte said that when it comes to drug dealers, his “order is shoot to kill you.”  “I don’t care about human rights, you better believe me,” he said.  He later threatened the same fate for activists who criticized his policies.”

Admiring a killer like Duterte, inviting him to the White House - how could this not be a hair-raising warning sign about the kind of person Trump is?  Does he plan on killing those who contributed mightily to the American opioid epidemic?  Purdue Pharma executives?  The thousands of doctors and dentists who prescribed Oxycontin as though it was a painkiller like aspirin?  https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/drug-companies-helped-drive-opioid-crisis

For more on this theme, here is an excellent article in the April 30 New Yorker:  https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler

quote:  “The vast literature on Hitler and Nazism keeps circling around a few enduring questions. The first is biographical: How did an Austrian watercolor painter turned military orderly emerge as a far-right German rabble-rouser after the First World War? The second is sociopolitical: How did a civilized society come to embrace Hitler’s extreme ideas? The third has to do with the intersection of man and regime: To what extent was Hitler in control of the apparatus of the Third Reich? All these questions point to the central enigma of the Holocaust, which has variously been interpreted as a premeditated action and as a barbaric improvisation. In our current age of unapologetic racism and resurgent authoritarianism, the mechanics of Hitler’s rise are a particularly pressing matter. For dismantlers of democracy, there is no better exemplar.”

Couldn’t happen here?  Here is a ‘PRO AMERICAN RALLY’ (title on the marquee) at New York City’s Madison Square Garden, February 1939 -  https://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/542499/marshall-curry-nazi-rally-madison-square-garden-1939/

Q:  Do you see warning signs?  What would it take for Republicans to become alarmed?

[ Edited: 16 May 2018 10:59 by unsmoked]
 
 
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16 May 2018 13:11
 
unsmoked - 16 May 2018 10:42 AM

What would it take for Republicans to become alarmed?

Losing.

 
 
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bbearren - 16 May 2018 01:11 PM
unsmoked - 16 May 2018 10:42 AM

What would it take for Republicans to become alarmed?

Losing.

That pretty much sums it up in one word.  Good job.

 
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bbearren - 16 May 2018 01:11 PM
unsmoked - 16 May 2018 10:42 AM

What would it take for Republicans to become alarmed?

Losing.

succinct and accurate

 
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EN - 16 May 2018 02:06 PM
bbearren - 16 May 2018 01:11 PM
unsmoked - 16 May 2018 10:42 AM

What would it take for Republicans to become alarmed?

Losing.

That pretty much sums it up in one word.  Good job.

Would Republicans become alarmed if Trump was able to cancel elections because of the threat of election fraud carried out by enemies of the people?  Cancel elections because of the threat of socialists gaining power and colluding with Europe?  Because of the ‘lying media’ influencing the vote with fake news and witch hunts and lies? 

Impossible!  There’s no warning signs for anything like that.  With checks and balances American Presidents can’t pull murderous stunts in order to be re-elected.  https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/notes-indicate-nixon-interfered-1968-peace-talks-180961627/

 
 
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17 May 2018 20:32
 
bbearren - 16 May 2018 01:11 PM
unsmoked - 16 May 2018 10:42 AM

What would it take for Republicans to become alarmed?

Losing.

Alarmed that they lost, but doubtful they would be alarmed that they may be wrong about something.

 
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17 May 2018 23:28
 
jdrnd - 17 May 2018 05:04 AM
bbearren - 16 May 2018 01:11 PM
unsmoked - 16 May 2018 10:42 AM

What would it take for Republicans to become alarmed?

Losing.

succinct and accurate

I agree.

 
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MARTIN_UK - 17 May 2018 11:28 PM
jdrnd - 17 May 2018 05:04 AM
bbearren - 16 May 2018 01:11 PM
unsmoked - 16 May 2018 10:42 AM

What would it take for Republicans to become alarmed?

Losing.

succinct and accurate

I agree.

Here is a quote from the New Yorker article mentioned in the OP: 

“With his nocturnal schedule, his dislike of paperwork, and his aversion to dialogue, Hitler was an eccentric executive, to say the least. To make sense of a dictatorship in which the dictator was intermittently absent, Kershaw expounded the concept of “working towards the Führer”: when explicit direction from Hitler was lacking, Nazi functionaries guessed at what he wanted, and often further radicalized his policies.”  (end quote)

Trump functionaries like John Bolton and Scott Pruitt come to mind - apprentices guessing at what the Boss wants and further radicalizing his policies.

If Trump knows for sure that Mueller is going to produce evidence of criminal activity by Trump and/or his family, won’t he attempt to fire Mueller and discredit all the evidence?  (fake news, witch-hunt etc.).  If he knows for sure that he is going to lose in 2020, won’t he cancel that election just as other despots cancelled or rigged elections that they knew they were going to lose?  Republicans already know that Trump is a liar, a tax cheat and a con man.  Why would they think him incapable of doing what countless other despots do to stay in power?  He has a base of 60 million armed supporters who will rally around him if he fires Mueller or nullifies the 2020 election.

Another quote from the April 30 New Yorker article:  “To many liberal-minded Germans of the twenties, Hitler was a scary but ludicrous figure who did not seem to represent a serious threat.”

Losing?  Surely it’s clear by now that for this man, losing is not an option.

 
 
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unsmoked - 18 May 2018 10:20 AM
MARTIN_UK - 17 May 2018 11:28 PM
jdrnd - 17 May 2018 05:04 AM
bbearren - 16 May 2018 01:11 PM
unsmoked - 16 May 2018 10:42 AM

What would it take for Republicans to become alarmed?

Losing.

succinct and accurate

I agree.

Here is a quote from the New Yorker article mentioned in the OP: 

“With his nocturnal schedule, his dislike of paperwork, and his aversion to dialogue, Hitler was an eccentric executive, to say the least. To make sense of a dictatorship in which the dictator was intermittently absent, Kershaw expounded the concept of “working towards the Führer”: when explicit direction from Hitler was lacking, Nazi functionaries guessed at what he wanted, and often further radicalized his policies.”  (end quote)

Trump functionaries like John Bolton and Scott Pruitt come to mind - apprentices guessing at what the Boss wants and further radicalizing his policies.

If Trump knows for sure that Mueller is going to produce evidence of criminal activity by Trump and/or his family, won’t he attempt to fire Mueller and discredit all the evidence?  (fake news, witch-hunt etc.).  If he knows for sure that he is going to lose in 2020, won’t he cancel that election just as other despots cancelled or rigged elections that they knew they were going to lose?  Republicans already know that Trump is a liar, a tax cheat and a con man.  Why would they think him incapable of doing what countless other despots do to stay in power?  He has a base of 60 million armed supporters who will rally around him if he fires Mueller or nullifies the 2020 election.

Another quote from the April 30 New Yorker article:  “To many liberal-minded Germans of the twenties, Hitler was a scary but ludicrous figure who did not seem to represent a serious threat.”

Losing?  Surely it’s clear by now that for this man, losing is not an option.

He may not have a choice if he loses one or both houses of Congress in November.

 
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23 May 2018 11:21
 

Ignoring Warning Signs

Why does Trump attack the media?

“He said, ‘You know why I do it? I do it to discredit you all and demean you all so when you write negative stories about me, no one will believe you.’ He said that,” Stahl told the audience, adding, “So, put that in your head for a minute.”

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lesley-stahl-donald-trump-said-attacking-press-to-discredit-negative-stories/

In a Bloomberg article:  “But more than 50 years ago, an American sociologist and political scientist predicted that extreme social conditions might make it possible for a vulgar, lying demagogue to appeal to a broad group of ordinary people. Three psychologists have now run experiments reproducing the effect in a set of volunteers holding a mock election — demonstrating how Trump’s vulgarity can be a feature, not a flaw, and a key part of his appeal to a huge swath of America that feels abandoned by the economic and political establishment.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-04-25/why-trump-gets-away-with-lying

 
 
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24 May 2018 10:05
 

Ignoring Warning Signs

Conform to Trump’s demands or leave the country?  Couldn’t happen here?

“I don’t think people should be staying in the locker rooms, but still I think it’s good,” he said. “You have to stand proudly for the National Anthem. You shouldn’t be playing, you shouldn’t be there. Maybe they shouldn’t be in the country.”  -  Trump

While Hitler was in power, what happened to Germans who didn’t return the Nazi salute and say, “Heil Hitler”?

 
 
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As long as big money continues to do well and medium money does OK then things won’t change much, even if many in those categories don’t like the guy. I wouldn’t count on mid-terms being a big blue sweep, more like small blue gains. Putin maintains his spot by making sure Russian baby-boomers get a regular half-decent pension, even as other aspects of his economy suck. There seems to be a global race to the bottom and the US is neck and neck with the best of them with the leaders we’ve got. I hope my cynicism doesn’t play out.

 
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brazen4 - 24 May 2018 10:38 AM

As long as big money continues to do well and medium money does OK then things won’t change much, even if many in those categories don’t like the guy. I wouldn’t count on mid-terms being a big blue sweep, more like small blue gains. Putin maintains his spot by making sure Russian baby-boomers get a regular half-decent pension, even as other aspects of his economy suck. There seems to be a global race to the bottom and the US is neck and neck with the best of them with the leaders we’ve got. I hope my cynicism doesn’t play out.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/04/13/how-companies-spend-tax-windfall/505122002/

quote from this article:  “They trumpeted the awards as examples of how the $1.5 trillion tax cut would result in bigger paychecks for middle-class employees.  But the number of companies letting workers know they are getting a bonus, raise or other form of financial compensation has slowed to a trickle. Most of the extra cash from tax savings is going into the pockets of stock shareholders through dividend increases and companies buying back their own stock in hopes of boosting its price.”  (end quote)

I saw on the news last night that 350 Harley Davidson workers just lost their jobs.  Bikers for Trump?

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brazen4 - 24 May 2018 10:38 AM

As long as big money continues to do well and medium money does OK then things won’t change much, even if many in those categories don’t like the guy. I wouldn’t count on mid-terms being a big blue sweep, more like small blue gains. Putin maintains his spot by making sure Russian baby-boomers get a regular half-decent pension, even as other aspects of his economy suck. There seems to be a global race to the bottom and the US is neck and neck with the best of them with the leaders we’ve got. I hope my cynicism doesn’t play out.

Can you explain the why’s and how’s of this “global race to the bottom”. Though I don’t have specific counter evidence at this time, I’m suspicious that one could find places where things are getting better.