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01 June 2018 05:05
 
Nhoj Morley - 31 May 2018 07:08 PM

No, Nohj is not correct.

The point is, no one is going care What This Means To Jeff without a reason to.

Is Rose Fan’s inquiry pointless because you are secular? No, it means it applies to other people. You know, other people. Those crazy things the world is full of.

Thoughtfull responses take some time but twit-farts can appear in minutes on a newbie’s thread. Is the intention to demonstrate that there is no one here worth talking to? This can do more than put folks off from this forum. It can tarnish the whole idea of a forum.

First responders to a thread have a responsibility to uphold the best virtues of our secular values and aspirations. Short-sighted belittling is how the other side does things. The best way to promote critical thinking is to be observed practicing it.

Your post should have read, “This question does not apply to me. I have no reason to respond. Please forgive the intrusion.”

NO

ITS NOT ABOUT ME!!!!

 

and maybe the question does apply to me.


There are other people in various states of Judaism, I am trying to find out what her/his definition of leaving Judaism is.

 
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01 June 2018 05:26
 

If a Christian, has no belief in God and Jesus, but lives by the basic tenets of Christianity, have they left Christianity?
What if they still get a Christmas tree and give presents on that holiday?

 
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01 June 2018 06:37
 
jdrnd - 01 June 2018 05:26 AM

If a Christian, has no belief in God and Jesus, but lives by the basic tenets of Christianity, have they left Christianity?
What if they still get a Christmas tree and give presents on that holiday?

Christianity, generally speaking, seems to be following along the path of Judaism in the ways of apostasy. For example, reformed Judaism today seems to be the default way for a Jew to be. It’s a breaking away from both literality and formality that’s being echoed by many Christians in their own approaches, though perhaps to a lessor degree.

Also—sorry, but I still appreciate your humor wherever you inject it. I see humor as potentially inviting to newcomers bright enough to follow such a thread, which RoseTylerFan most certainly is.

 
 
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Nhoj Morley - 31 May 2018 07:08 PM

No, Nohj is not correct.

Okay.
I stand corrected.

 
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01 June 2018 09:35
 
nonverbal - 01 June 2018 06:37 AM

...I still appreciate your humor wherever you inject it.

Thank you

 
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01 June 2018 09:42
 

This is not a day to double down.

You are wasting this poster’s time. Please stay off any newbie’s thread.

 
 
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Nhoj Morley - 01 June 2018 09:42 AM

This is not a day to double down.

You are wasting this poster’s time. Please stay off any newbie’s thread.

Yes sir.

 
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01 June 2018 11:31
 
jdrnd - 31 May 2018 02:51 PM

The question is
What does it mean to leave the jewish religion?
Have I left the religion?
after all, I don’t believe any of that religious stuff.
If I am a secular Jew, does that mean I haven’t left the religion?

My definition of leaving Judaism would be stopping to believe that Jews are a chosen people. Doing away with the tribal identity. If you are Christian, do you identify as just a Christian or as a Christian Jew?

 
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01 June 2018 11:53
 
RoseTylerFan - 01 June 2018 11:31 AM
jdrnd - 31 May 2018 02:51 PM

The question is
What does it mean to leave the jewish religion?
Have I left the religion?
after all, I don’t believe any of that religious stuff.
If I am a secular Jew, does that mean I haven’t left the religion?

My definition of leaving Judaism would be stopping to believe that Jews are a chosen people. Doing away with the tribal identity. If you are Christian, do you identify as just a Christian or as a Christian Jew?

That would be an objective rational line in the sand.

So I do not believe the Jews are the chosen people of God because god doesn’t exist, but I am part of a demarcated population of people called “jews”.  I think of myself as a jew.  Some (but not all) of my family feels I am not a jew because I don’t keep Kosher, don’t go to synagogue etc.
If Hitler was alive I would be put to death despite my non-belief.

I’m in the middle of work,


later…

Jeff

 
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01 June 2018 18:28
 
jdrnd - 01 June 2018 05:26 AM

If a Christian, has no belief in God and Jesus, but lives by the basic tenets of Christianity, have they left Christianity?
What if they still get a Christmas tree and give presents on that holiday?

They have left Christianity.  Trees have nothing to do with religion.  Either in or out, Jeff. Make up your mind.

 
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01 June 2018 18:39
 
jdrnd - 01 June 2018 11:53 AM
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jdrnd - 31 May 2018 02:51 PM

The question is
What does it mean to leave the jewish religion?
Have I left the religion?
after all, I don’t believe any of that religious stuff.
If I am a secular Jew, does that mean I haven’t left the religion?

My definition of leaving Judaism would be stopping to believe that Jews are a chosen people. Doing away with the tribal identity. If you are Christian, do you identify as just a Christian or as a Christian Jew?

That would be an objective rational line in the sand.

So I do not believe the Jews are the chosen people of God because god doesn’t exist, but I am part of a demarcated population of people called “jews”.  I think of myself as a jew.  Some (but not all) of my family feels I am not a jew because I don’t keep Kosher, don’t go to synagogue etc.
If Hitler was alive I would be put to death despite my non-belief.

I’m in the middle of work,


later…

Jeff

You might be a Jew to Hitler but you are an infidel to ISIS and a Yankee to Texans. You can’t define yourself by your enemies.

 
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EN - 01 June 2018 06:39 PM

You might be a Jew to Hitler but you are an infidel to ISIS and a Yankee to Texans. You can’t define yourself by your enemies.

                        You are right.

I am the Emperor of the Universe
I suspect that this post is going to get me banned from the forum for a few days

 
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01 June 2018 19:35
 
RoseTylerFan - 01 June 2018 11:31 AM
jdrnd - 31 May 2018 02:51 PM

The question is
What does it mean to leave the jewish religion?
Have I left the religion?
after all, I don’t believe any of that religious stuff.
If I am a secular Jew, does that mean I haven’t left the religion?

My definition of leaving Judaism would be stopping to believe that Jews are a chosen people. Doing away with the tribal identity. If you are Christian, do you identify as just a Christian or as a Christian Jew?

I feel that I have left the Jewish religion.  Its a bronze age world view that has little place in modern society.  Nevertheless I understand that world view.

Are you or were you Jewish?

 
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01 June 2018 21:22
 
jdrnd - 01 June 2018 07:35 PM

I feel that I have left the Jewish religion.

Then you are not a Jew. Just say it.

 
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jdrnd - 01 June 2018 07:35 PM

Are you or were you Jewish?

No. I just wondered how the Internet is full of apostates from Christianity and Islam, but there are almost no stories of Jewish apostates.

 
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