No collusion?  PBS News Hour - “Russia ‘turned’ election for Trump, Clapper belileves’

 
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26 May 2018 10:08
 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/russia-turned-election-for-trump-clapper-believes

quote:  “Russians not only affected the outcome of the 2016 presidential election — they decided it, says James Clapper, who served as the director of national intelligence in the Obama administration, and during the 2016 vote.

“To me, it just exceeds logic and credulity that they didn’t affect the election, and it’s my belief they actually turned it,” he told the PBS NewsHour anchor Judy Woodruff on Wednesday.

Clapper, who chronicles his life and career in his new book, “Facts and Fears: Hard Truths From a Life in Intelligence,” said Russians are “are bent on undermining our fundamental system here. And when a foreign nation, particularly an adversary nation, gets involved as much as they did in our political process, that’s a real danger to this country.”

His comments come amid reports that the FBI used an informant while the bureau investigated possible ties between Russia and Trump’s 2016” campaign.

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27 May 2018 06:51
 

Trump may have a weak grasp of US history and world politics, but he (and his team) understand how to “wag the dog.”  That is, they are skilled at deflecting attention from critical issues to red herrings.  Maybe someday there will be a study to discover whether Russian influence did change the election results.  Clapper’s opinion (as a private citizen) is that the wide scope of the interference, along with the relatively small number of citizen votes that determined the Electoral College tally, make it probable that the election was turned toward Trump.  Certainly, no government study of the issue could occur under this Administration.

 
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27 May 2018 12:22
 

Both Clapper and Comey have been proven to be liars. This is on record. Also Clapper admitted this week on ABC’s view that yes , there were spies in Trump campaign, but it was there to protect Trump !  This is not a punchline from a standup but a desperate attempt of an Intel chief who has no where to hide. These guys are now spinning the narrative to try and stay out of prison.

In any case, Mr Clapper should debate Obama on this new claim of his since Obama is on record to have said this:

“There is no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even rig America’s elections, there’s no evidence that that has happened in the past or that it will happen this time, and so I’d invite Mr. Trump to stop whining and make his case to get votes.”  - October 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJB0Ag72bEs

Of Course, that was when they were certain Hillary would win!  Above statement was made at 3:20 of the video. 

Obama and his Intel Community managed to destroy FBI’s reputation, corrupt the DOJ and create the biggest challenge to the Constitution in recent memory. The country owes a big debt of gratitude to Trump for exposing the truth.

Stay tuned for the DOJ IG Report on the FBI and DOJ.

 
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27 May 2018 19:18
 

If these agencies are so corrupt, why did Sen McConnell say, after the classified briefing this week, that he still supports the Mueller investigation?

 
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hannahtoo - 27 May 2018 06:51 AM

Trump may have a weak grasp of US history and world politics, but he (and his team) understand how to “wag the dog.”  That is, they are skilled at deflecting attention from critical issues to red herrings.  Maybe someday there will be a study to discover whether Russian influence did change the election results.  Clapper’s opinion (as a private citizen) is that the wide scope of the interference, along with the relatively small number of citizen votes that determined the Electoral College tally, make it probable that the election was turned toward Trump.  Certainly, no government study of the issue could occur under this Administration.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/27/17057764/poll-trump-election-meddling-russia-interference

quote from this article:

Trump has publicly doubted Russian meddling in the elections on numerous occasions.
If a majority of Americans doubt the president is taking Russian meddling seriously, it’s with good reason: He has repeatedly cast doubt on Russian interference operations in US politics and cast the matter as a “hoax.” (Despite his recent Twitter denial that he has not.) Fact-checking website Politifact declared Trump’s continued proclamations that Russian interference is a “made-up story” as its 2017 Lie of the Year.

He has on more than one occasion accepted Russian President Vladimir Putin’s denials of meddling. “Every time he sees me he says, ‘I didn’t do that, and I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it,” Trump said of Putin last November while speaking to reporters aboard Air Force One.”

Unsmoked comments:  Can you imagine Trump’s response if the director of the FBI had told him that there was clear evidence the Russians had helped Hillary get 3 million more votes than he did?  (that would average 60,000 more votes in each of the 50 states).  Can you imagine the funds the Republicans would be pouring into making sure there was no Russian meddling in the midterm election?  Can you imagine how Trump would be lauding James Comey and the FBI for their diligent work in finding out why he lost the popular vote by 3 million votes?

[ Edited: 28 May 2018 12:00 by unsmoked]