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29 June 2018 16:37
 

The most (perhaps only, depending on your political preferences) satisfying thing about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez—“She Guevara”—beating incumbent Congressman Joseph Crowley is that Crowley spent ten times as much money on his campaign ($3 million dollars) as She did.

From Consortium News:

Conventional wisdom said that powerful Congressman Joseph Crowley couldn’t be beat. But his 20-year career in the House of Representatives will end in January, with the socialist organizer who beat him in the Democratic primary in the deep-blue district of the Bronx and Queens poised to become Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

In a symbolic twist of fate, the stunning defeat of Crowley came a day before the Rules and Bylaws Committee of the Democratic Party voted on what to do about “superdelegates,” those unelected Democratic Party elite who’ve had an undemocratic and automatic vote in presidential nominations since 1984 to prevent leftwing candidates from being nominated. 

Crowley’s defeat shows how grass-roots movements can prevail against corporate power and its pile of cash. The Crowley campaign spent upward of $3 million in the Democratic Party primary. The Ocasio-Cortez campaign spent one-tenth of that. He wielded the money. She inspired the people.

As the 28-year-old Ocasio-Cortez was quick to say after her Tuesday night victory, her triumph belongs to everyone who wants social, economic and racial justice. She ran on a platform in harmony with her activism as a member of Democratic Socialists of America and an organizer for the Bernie Sanders presidential campaign.

Other recent campaigns in which the candidate who spent more money lost include Meg Whitman’s loss to California governor Jerry Brown ($180 million vs. $37 million). And, of course, Hillary Clinton’s loss to Donald Trump ($1.2 billion vs. $620 million).

Sadly, these are exceptions to the rule.

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30 June 2018 09:25
 

It’s a safe bet I disagree with almost every one of her policies.  But I can’t find any bad in a career politician losing to someone who thoroughly outworked them.

Was “She-Guevara” her branding?  Either way, that is genius.

 
 
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Quadrewple - 30 June 2018 09:25 AM

Was “She-Guevara” her branding?  Either way, that is genius.

Cortez the Killer seems a bit more apropos (and vaguely less racist?). Who would have thought that someone with enough determination to actually try could oust an incumbent who was so sure of his status that he sent a demographic placeholder to debate his challenger?

As fate would have it, kids these days don’t quite live up to the self-involved standards set by many of their progenitors. Ocasio-Cortez legitimately appears capable of both remembering what she stands for and recognizing the urgency of America’s current socio-economic nightmare. Egalitarianism isn’t entirely dead [yet].

 
 
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Quadrewple - 30 June 2018 09:25 AM

It’s a safe bet I disagree with almost every one of her policies.  But I can’t find any bad in a career politician losing to someone who thoroughly outworked them.

Was “She-Guevara” her branding?  Either way, that is genius.

No, it was actually started by her detractors on 4chan, presumably meant to be pejorative. I think it’s more of a compliment—depending, of course, on what one thinks of Che Guevara.

I doubt I support any of her policies, either. But I agree: it’s still good to see her win.

 
 
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Antisocialdarwinist - 30 June 2018 01:25 PM
Quadrewple - 30 June 2018 09:25 AM

It’s a safe bet I disagree with almost every one of her policies.  But I can’t find any bad in a career politician losing to someone who thoroughly outworked them.

Was “She-Guevara” her branding?  Either way, that is genius.

No, it was actually started by her detractors on 4chan, presumably meant to be pejorative. I think it’s more of a compliment—depending, of course, on what one thinks of Che Guevara.

I doubt I support any of her policies, either. But I agree: it’s still good to see her win.

From what I’ve heard her say, she’s more or less in Bernie’s camp, “democrat socialism”. Guaranteed healthcare, guaranteed education and so on. I can see those as being good ideas, but to me it’s all about how they get implemented. Bad implementations could go really, really wrong. But the idea of a well educated, healthy citizenry has a lot of merit.

 
 
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icehorse - 01 July 2018 08:34 AM
Antisocialdarwinist - 30 June 2018 01:25 PM
Quadrewple - 30 June 2018 09:25 AM

It’s a safe bet I disagree with almost every one of her policies.  But I can’t find any bad in a career politician losing to someone who thoroughly outworked them.

Was “She-Guevara” her branding?  Either way, that is genius.

No, it was actually started by her detractors on 4chan, presumably meant to be pejorative. I think it’s more of a compliment—depending, of course, on what one thinks of Che Guevara.

I doubt I support any of her policies, either. But I agree: it’s still good to see her win.

From what I’ve heard her say, she’s more or less in Bernie’s camp, “democrat socialism”. Guaranteed healthcare, guaranteed education and so on. I can see those as being good ideas, but to me it’s all about how they get implemented. Bad implementations could go really, really wrong. But the idea of a well educated, healthy citizenry has a lot of merit.

She is pretty and very personable, seems about it. In an interview she said universal healthcare is a human right, and the crowd goes wild, no she (or they) have any idea why or how to pay for it.

 
 
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GAD - 01 July 2018 09:51 AM
icehorse - 01 July 2018 08:34 AM
Antisocialdarwinist - 30 June 2018 01:25 PM
Quadrewple - 30 June 2018 09:25 AM

It’s a safe bet I disagree with almost every one of her policies.  But I can’t find any bad in a career politician losing to someone who thoroughly outworked them.

Was “She-Guevara” her branding?  Either way, that is genius.

No, it was actually started by her detractors on 4chan, presumably meant to be pejorative. I think it’s more of a compliment—depending, of course, on what one thinks of Che Guevara.

I doubt I support any of her policies, either. But I agree: it’s still good to see her win.

From what I’ve heard her say, she’s more or less in Bernie’s camp, “democrat socialism”. Guaranteed healthcare, guaranteed education and so on. I can see those as being good ideas, but to me it’s all about how they get implemented. Bad implementations could go really, really wrong. But the idea of a well educated, healthy citizenry has a lot of merit.

She is pretty and very personable, seems about it. In an interview she said universal healthcare is a human right, and the crowd goes wild, no she (or they) have any idea why or how to pay for it.

I think that there are good, sustainable ways to pay for these things, but they won’t get proposed or implemented because they would cut into the oligarchs’ short term profits.

 
 
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icehorse - 01 July 2018 10:10 AM
GAD - 01 July 2018 09:51 AM
icehorse - 01 July 2018 08:34 AM
Antisocialdarwinist - 30 June 2018 01:25 PM
Quadrewple - 30 June 2018 09:25 AM

It’s a safe bet I disagree with almost every one of her policies.  But I can’t find any bad in a career politician losing to someone who thoroughly outworked them.

Was “She-Guevara” her branding?  Either way, that is genius.

No, it was actually started by her detractors on 4chan, presumably meant to be pejorative. I think it’s more of a compliment—depending, of course, on what one thinks of Che Guevara.

I doubt I support any of her policies, either. But I agree: it’s still good to see her win.

From what I’ve heard her say, she’s more or less in Bernie’s camp, “democrat socialism”. Guaranteed healthcare, guaranteed education and so on. I can see those as being good ideas, but to me it’s all about how they get implemented. Bad implementations could go really, really wrong. But the idea of a well educated, healthy citizenry has a lot of merit.

She is pretty and very personable, seems about it. In an interview she said universal healthcare is a human right, and the crowd goes wild, no she (or they) have any idea why or how to pay for it.

I think that there are good, sustainable ways to pay for these things, but they won’t get proposed or implemented because they would cut into the oligarchs’ short term profits.

Her parties platform is tax the rich, same plan as yours, which isn’t really a plan as it changes nothing about the system, it just makes people without a clue feel good.

 
 
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GAD - 01 July 2018 10:18 AM
icehorse - 01 July 2018 10:10 AM
GAD - 01 July 2018 09:51 AM
icehorse - 01 July 2018 08:34 AM
Antisocialdarwinist - 30 June 2018 01:25 PM
Quadrewple - 30 June 2018 09:25 AM

It’s a safe bet I disagree with almost every one of her policies.  But I can’t find any bad in a career politician losing to someone who thoroughly outworked them.

Was “She-Guevara” her branding?  Either way, that is genius.

No, it was actually started by her detractors on 4chan, presumably meant to be pejorative. I think it’s more of a compliment—depending, of course, on what one thinks of Che Guevara.

I doubt I support any of her policies, either. But I agree: it’s still good to see her win.

From what I’ve heard her say, she’s more or less in Bernie’s camp, “democrat socialism”. Guaranteed healthcare, guaranteed education and so on. I can see those as being good ideas, but to me it’s all about how they get implemented. Bad implementations could go really, really wrong. But the idea of a well educated, healthy citizenry has a lot of merit.

She is pretty and very personable, seems about it. In an interview she said universal healthcare is a human right, and the crowd goes wild, no she (or they) have any idea why or how to pay for it.

I think that there are good, sustainable ways to pay for these things, but they won’t get proposed or implemented because they would cut into the oligarchs’ short term profits.

Her parties platform is tax the rich, same plan as yours, which isn’t really a plan as it changes nothing about the system, it just makes people without a clue feel good.

Your mind-reading powers have not improved smile

My plan would be more like infrastructure use taxes. The rich use the commons more than the rest of us, do you think we should subsidize them? I don’t.

 
 
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icehorse - 01 July 2018 10:29 AM
GAD - 01 July 2018 10:18 AM
icehorse - 01 July 2018 10:10 AM
GAD - 01 July 2018 09:51 AM
icehorse - 01 July 2018 08:34 AM
Antisocialdarwinist - 30 June 2018 01:25 PM
Quadrewple - 30 June 2018 09:25 AM

It’s a safe bet I disagree with almost every one of her policies.  But I can’t find any bad in a career politician losing to someone who thoroughly outworked them.

Was “She-Guevara” her branding?  Either way, that is genius.

No, it was actually started by her detractors on 4chan, presumably meant to be pejorative. I think it’s more of a compliment—depending, of course, on what one thinks of Che Guevara.

I doubt I support any of her policies, either. But I agree: it’s still good to see her win.

From what I’ve heard her say, she’s more or less in Bernie’s camp, “democrat socialism”. Guaranteed healthcare, guaranteed education and so on. I can see those as being good ideas, but to me it’s all about how they get implemented. Bad implementations could go really, really wrong. But the idea of a well educated, healthy citizenry has a lot of merit.

She is pretty and very personable, seems about it. In an interview she said universal healthcare is a human right, and the crowd goes wild, no she (or they) have any idea why or how to pay for it.

I think that there are good, sustainable ways to pay for these things, but they won’t get proposed or implemented because they would cut into the oligarchs’ short term profits.

Her parties platform is tax the rich, same plan as yours, which isn’t really a plan as it changes nothing about the system, it just makes people without a clue feel good.

Your mind-reading powers have not improved smile

My plan would be more like infrastructure use taxes. The rich use the commons more than the rest of us, do you think we should subsidize them? I don’t.

Nor has your comical attempts to take from the “oligarchs” and not call it taking from the rich improved smile

 

 
 
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GAD:

Nor has your comical attempts to take from the “oligarchs” and not call it taking from the rich improved smile

Do I need to clarify for you the distinction between “taking from” and “not subsidizing” ?

You appear to favor subsidizing the rich, am I getting that right?

 
 
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01 July 2018 13:49
 

Most wealthy western countries manage to provide their citizens with health care and quality public school education.  It’s a matter of priorities in regards to the spending of tax dollars, with everyone paying their fair share.  One doesn’t have to be a ‘socialist’ to support these basic needs of society.  It really does boggle the mind that the U.S. can’t figure this out.

 
 
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icehorse - 01 July 2018 01:23 PM

GAD:

Nor has your comical attempts to take from the “oligarchs” and not call it taking from the rich improved smile

Do I need to clarify for you the distinction between “taking from” and “not subsidizing” ?

You appear to favor subsidizing the rich, am I getting that right?

LOL! Nice chatting with you Ice.

 
 
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Jan_CAN - 01 July 2018 01:49 PM

Most wealthy western countries manage to provide their citizens with health care and quality public school education.  It’s a matter of priorities in regards to the spending of tax dollars, with everyone paying their fair share.  One doesn’t have to be a ‘socialist’ to support these basic needs of society.  It really does boggle the mind that the U.S. can’t figure this out.

And the US does too. The largest thing in the budget is healthcare and throwing more money at it is not going to make it better, it’s just going to keep more of our obese, unhealthy and ignorant population on life-support so they can Facebook, Tweet and Instagram longer.

 
 
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GAD - 01 July 2018 02:09 PM
Jan_CAN - 01 July 2018 01:49 PM

Most wealthy western countries manage to provide their citizens with health care and quality public school education.  It’s a matter of priorities in regards to the spending of tax dollars, with everyone paying their fair share.  One doesn’t have to be a ‘socialist’ to support these basic needs of society.  It really does boggle the mind that the U.S. can’t figure this out.

And the US does too. The largest thing in the budget is healthcare and throwing more money at it is not going to make it better, it’s just going to keep more of our obese, unhealthy and ignorant population on life-support so they can Facebook, Tweet and Instagram longer.

GAD comes thru with an explosion at the conflation factory! nice!

 
 
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04 July 2018 13:50
 

If someone is putting forward a thesis - i.e. “We can tax the rich and provide X, Y, and Z” - simply ask them to put forward some actual numbers.

Anyone can simply put forward some real numbers and make an actual proposal.  Beyond that, there is no point to an argument, as it will just be people projecting bad intentions/stupidity onto the other, as there are generally no objectively mediating facts to point to.

Arguing with vague, unspecific claims is completely pointless.

 
 
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