Oligarchs and deck chairs (e.g. healthcare)

 
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28 July 2018 09:22
 

Is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s take on healthcare reform a socialist threat? It doesn’t really matter.

The news is flooded with stories about topics like healthcare, the minimum wage, rising housing costs, and any number of economically-related issues. Taking healthcare as an example, the debates focus on all sorts of distracting issues and almost never focus on the most critical issue. Healthcare costs are high primarily because oligarchs are massively profiting at every turn in the system. The Dems and the GOP don’t talk about this. By their consistent omission of this fact, it’s clear that they are in the pockets of the oligarchs. Their debates amount to rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Until we remove oligarchy from our system, most of our other debates are pointless, and most of what’s “in the news” is a dangerous distraction.

Don’t forget, oligarchy is the direct enemy of democracy. Oligarchy could well be the most pressing issue of our time. Global warming is a huge issue, but the oligarchs are tampering with our ability to address it. Nuclear weapons are a huge issue, again, thank the oligarchs for keeping them in place.

It’s hard to think of an important world problem that’s not exacerbated by oligarchs.

 
 
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28 July 2018 16:21
 

She isn’t a threat to anything, she is clueless and has no idea how to pay for anything. She would need massive vote support to do anything she says and she isn’t ever going to get enough to do anything. That is nothing to with Oligarchs, it just reality.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/27/watch-democrat-ocasio-cortez-totally-fail-explaining-pay-socialism/

 
 
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GAD - 28 July 2018 04:21 PM

She isn’t a threat to anything, she is clueless and has no idea how to pay for anything. She would need massive vote support to do anything she says and she isn’t ever going to get enough to do anything. That is nothing to with Oligarchs, it just reality.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/27/watch-democrat-ocasio-cortez-totally-fail-explaining-pay-socialism/

Did you really think the OP was about Cortez?

 
 
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icehorse - 28 July 2018 04:43 PM
GAD - 28 July 2018 04:21 PM

She isn’t a threat to anything, she is clueless and has no idea how to pay for anything. She would need massive vote support to do anything she says and she isn’t ever going to get enough to do anything. That is nothing to with Oligarchs, it just reality.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/27/watch-democrat-ocasio-cortez-totally-fail-explaining-pay-socialism/

Did you really think the OP was about Cortez?

She is more interesting then your Oligarchy crusade.

 
 
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28 July 2018 18:03
 
GAD - 28 July 2018 05:09 PM
icehorse - 28 July 2018 04:43 PM
GAD - 28 July 2018 04:21 PM

She isn’t a threat to anything, she is clueless and has no idea how to pay for anything. She would need massive vote support to do anything she says and she isn’t ever going to get enough to do anything. That is nothing to with Oligarchs, it just reality.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/27/watch-democrat-ocasio-cortez-totally-fail-explaining-pay-socialism/

Did you really think the OP was about Cortez?

She is more interesting then your Oligarchy crusade.

Can I use parsimony to interpret your stance on the oligarchy? If so, I would say you are one deluded dude.

 
 
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28 July 2018 19:41
 
icehorse - 28 July 2018 06:03 PM
GAD - 28 July 2018 05:09 PM
icehorse - 28 July 2018 04:43 PM
GAD - 28 July 2018 04:21 PM

She isn’t a threat to anything, she is clueless and has no idea how to pay for anything. She would need massive vote support to do anything she says and she isn’t ever going to get enough to do anything. That is nothing to with Oligarchs, it just reality.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/27/watch-democrat-ocasio-cortez-totally-fail-explaining-pay-socialism/

Did you really think the OP was about Cortez?

She is more interesting then your Oligarchy crusade.

Can I use parsimony to interpret your stance on the oligarchy? If so, I would say you are one deluded dude.

Yet I’m not the one on the crusade against the evil rich i.e. anyone who has more money then you.

 
 
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28 July 2018 20:18
 
GAD - 28 July 2018 07:41 PM
icehorse - 28 July 2018 06:03 PM
GAD - 28 July 2018 05:09 PM
icehorse - 28 July 2018 04:43 PM
GAD - 28 July 2018 04:21 PM

She isn’t a threat to anything, she is clueless and has no idea how to pay for anything. She would need massive vote support to do anything she says and she isn’t ever going to get enough to do anything. That is nothing to with Oligarchs, it just reality.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/27/watch-democrat-ocasio-cortez-totally-fail-explaining-pay-socialism/

Did you really think the OP was about Cortez?

She is more interesting then your Oligarchy crusade.

Can I use parsimony to interpret your stance on the oligarchy? If so, I would say you are one deluded dude.

Yet I’m not the one on the crusade against the evil rich i.e. anyone who has more money then you.

Oh right! Now I remember your stance! Wrong again, oh purveyor of strawmen. Take another whack and this time try to distinguish between rich people and oligarchs.

 
 
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icehorse - 28 July 2018 09:22 AM

Is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s take on healthcare reform a socialist threat? It doesn’t really matter.

The news is flooded with stories about topics like healthcare, the minimum wage, rising housing costs, and any number of economically-related issues. Taking healthcare as an example, the debates focus on all sorts of distracting issues and almost never focus on the most critical issue. Healthcare costs are high primarily because oligarchs are massively profiting at every turn in the system. The Dems and the GOP don’t talk about this. By their consistent omission of this fact, it’s clear that they are in the pockets of the oligarchs. Their debates amount to rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Until we remove oligarchy from our system, most of our other debates are pointless, and most of what’s “in the news” is a dangerous distraction.

Don’t forget, oligarchy is the direct enemy of democracy. Oligarchy could well be the most pressing issue of our time. Global warming is a huge issue, but the oligarchs are tampering with our ability to address it. Nuclear weapons are a huge issue, again, thank the oligarchs for keeping them in place.

It’s hard to think of an important world problem that’s not exacerbated by oligarchs.

Think you need to define oligarch more carefully. Some of the very wealthy are also very socially conscious. Others are out for all they can get.

 
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28 July 2018 20:57
 

I agree that wealthy is not synonymous with oligarch.  Oligarchs use wealth and each other to create cabals of political power that grant them the authority to commit crimes and be unanswerable to the laws that regulate the lives of the non-oligarchs. It is the established path. It is the default mode.

I would like to see our society and everyone else’s rise above the default. We gave it a good go for a while. I guess we’ll have to give someone else a chance.

 
 
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burt - 28 July 2018 08:18 PM
icehorse - 28 July 2018 09:22 AM

Is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s take on healthcare reform a socialist threat? It doesn’t really matter.

The news is flooded with stories about topics like healthcare, the minimum wage, rising housing costs, and any number of economically-related issues. Taking healthcare as an example, the debates focus on all sorts of distracting issues and almost never focus on the most critical issue. Healthcare costs are high primarily because oligarchs are massively profiting at every turn in the system. The Dems and the GOP don’t talk about this. By their consistent omission of this fact, it’s clear that they are in the pockets of the oligarchs. Their debates amount to rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Until we remove oligarchy from our system, most of our other debates are pointless, and most of what’s “in the news” is a dangerous distraction.

Don’t forget, oligarchy is the direct enemy of democracy. Oligarchy could well be the most pressing issue of our time. Global warming is a huge issue, but the oligarchs are tampering with our ability to address it. Nuclear weapons are a huge issue, again, thank the oligarchs for keeping them in place.

It’s hard to think of an important world problem that’s not exacerbated by oligarchs.

Think you need to define oligarch more carefully. Some of the very wealthy are also very socially conscious. Others are out for all they can get.

https://www.allposters.com/-sp/The-key-is-for-the-wannabes-to-think-they-have-a-chance-in-hell-to-be-New-Yorker-Cartoon-Posters_i9201579_.htm

 
 
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12 November 2018 12:56
 
icehorse - 28 July 2018 09:22 AM

Is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s take on healthcare reform a socialist threat? It doesn’t really matter.

The news is flooded with stories about topics like healthcare, the minimum wage, rising housing costs, and any number of economically-related issues. Taking healthcare as an example, the debates focus on all sorts of distracting issues and almost never focus on the most critical issue. Healthcare costs are high primarily because oligarchs are massively profiting at every turn in the system. The Dems and the GOP don’t talk about this. By their consistent omission of this fact, it’s clear that they are in the pockets of the oligarchs. Their debates amount to rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Until we remove oligarchy from our system, most of our other debates are pointless, and most of what’s “in the news” is a dangerous distraction.

Don’t forget, oligarchy is the direct enemy of democracy. Oligarchy could well be the most pressing issue of our time. Global warming is a huge issue, but the oligarchs are tampering with our ability to address it. Nuclear weapons are a huge issue, again, thank the oligarchs for keeping them in place.

It’s hard to think of an important world problem that’s not exacerbated by oligarchs.


The Economy: Does More Government Help or Hurt - Stephanie Kelton”

When we reform our healthcare system, millions of people who have BS jobs in the system (which increase costs to consumers of care) will become unemployed.  When we transition out of fossil fuel burning, people will become unemployed.  When we decide to invest in higher education and infrastructure work to return these people to employment,  the federal government will be needed to spend and create deficits.

Right now both political parties are reacting to deficits by instinct, usually incorrectly.  Cutting taxes and increasing spending on worthy projects is how we regain control of the economy.  The video helps to explain that fact.

Some deficits are good because they have a productive purpose for the public.  They strengthen the economy for the future.
It would be better than bailing out insolvent banks and financial companies.  The crash of 2008 has cost us about 23 trillion dollars of lost production which is permanent.

Note:  Taxes and cuts in spending were not required by the government to bail out the banks, to pay for it.  Congress has the power to do it and the power to fix a decaying economy.  How it’s done is a political question.

I like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.  She did answer the question.  We pay for social programs because they make the economy stronger.
That is not socialism, that is common sense.  People who have real jobs that are productive will buy the stuff and services that employers want to sell.

 

[ Edited: 12 November 2018 13:08 by Mr Wayne]