Jolly good.  Carry on civilization.

 
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08 October 2018 13:50
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09 October 2018 12:01
 

We are failing the ultimate “Species Intelligence Test.” We are suffocating in our own waste and taking the rest of the biosphere down with us. Earth is running a fever and she’s going to kill us off, just as our own bodies would destroy a bacteria that was running amok inside us.

If we were truly an intelligent species, we would set aside greed, religious superstition, and social custom. We would cut our population growth dramatically, we would stop using fossil fuels, we would put the survival of mankind and the other life of this planet as our first priority. But this isn’t happening.

I guess it comes down to the fact that we’re just fancy, sophisticated primates. We can’t transcend our biology. We keep screwing and screwing, pumping out babies like happy, horny little monkeys. We like shiny new toys, huge houses and cars, and lots and lots of distraction for our flighty monkey minds. And the alpha primates among us want all the status, money and power that they can grasp with their greedy monkey brains and hands; even if it kills everyone else including their own offspring.

Such a shame. Especially after we’ve come so far.

[ Edited: 09 October 2018 12:26 by Cheshire Cat]
 
 
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09 October 2018 14:34
 
Cheshire Cat - 09 October 2018 12:01 PM

We are failing the ultimate “Species Intelligence Test.” We are suffocating in our own waste and taking the rest of the biosphere down with us. Earth is running a fever and she’s going to kill us off, just as our own bodies would destroy a bacteria that was running amok inside us.

If we were truly an intelligent species, we would set aside greed, religious superstition, and social custom. We would cut our population growth dramatically, we would stop using fossil fuels, we would put the survival of mankind and the other life of this planet as our first priority. But this isn’t happening.

I guess it comes down to the fact that we’re just fancy, sophisticated primates. We can’t transcend our biology. We keep screwing and screwing, pumping out babies like happy, horny little monkeys. We like shiny new toys, huge houses and cars, and lots and lots of distraction for our flighty monkey minds. And the alpha primates among us want all the status, money and power that they can grasp with their greedy monkey brains and hands; even if it kills everyone else including their own offspring.

Such a shame. Especially after we’ve come so far.

Yep, it is a shame.  My brother and I call it the ‘sperm theory of civilization.’  Assuming the extrapolations from Kepler are right and we’re talking about something like 10x22 earth-like planets out there, and assuming the probability for the conditions of self-organizing order are not vanishingly small, then there are potentially quite a number of civilizations out there too—who can tell how many, but let’s say a whole freakin’ bunch.  In any case, however many, we think that maybe one of those out of millions odd makes it to self-sustainability, like that lone sperm making it to the egg.  We have come so far, yes, right to the point of unsustainability.  We happen to think that the convergence of intelligence, collective will, and luck that leads to self-sustainment is what is vanishingly small, not civilized life itself.

Speculation on our part, but guided speculation, based, admittedly, on an n of 1.  We pray we are wrong and that there is more hope for us than we see.

 

[ Edited: 09 October 2018 14:56 by TheAnal_lyticPhilosopher]
 
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09 October 2018 15:20
 

The real shame is that some people can’t accept the fact that cutting back on carbon emissions isn’t going to happen to the extent necessary to prevent catastrophe. That’s the reality that people insist on ignoring.

There are only two realistic solutions, in my opinion. We can either develop some technology that removes carbon from the atmosphere and can be deployed on the necessary scale; or we can reduce the population of human beings to a level that the planet can sustain. Even the latter is questionable; according to the most dire models, reducing our carbon emissions to zero today won’t prevent catastrophe because we’ve already set in motion a chain of carbon-emitting events that cannot be stopped.

Which leaves carbon-removing technology as the only viable solution. That’s where we ought to be putting our money and effort. “Climate Accords” and other attempts to reduce emissions are just as futile as rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

 
 
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10 October 2018 00:05
 

The earth has been frozen, burned, bombed and life wiped out 1000’s of times on scales 100’s of time larger then anything humans have done. Will the earth survive what we do, yes, will we, maybe, how well and how many of us make it is TBD.

 
 
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10 October 2018 00:18
 

Climate change will cause a lot of pain for a long time… but it isn’t a humanity-ending series of events.

I’m more concerned with drastic events such as Yellowstone or other super-volcanoes erupting. For those, we might have no more than a week warning.

 
 
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13 October 2018 11:14
 
Cheshire Cat - 09 October 2018 12:01 PM

If we were truly an intelligent species, we would set aside greed, religious superstition, and social custom. We would cut our population growth dramatically, we would stop using fossil fuels, we would put the survival of mankind and the other life of this planet as our first priority. But this isn’t happening.

Putting aside greed, superstition, and social custom is not even possible as you allude to later.  But there is no one stopping you from using fossil fuels - only your own good sense.  We need fossil fuels to keep our society going while we figure out what’s next for us. 

Cheshire Cat - 09 October 2018 12:01 PM

I guess it comes down to the fact that we’re just fancy, sophisticated primates. We can’t transcend our biology. We keep screwing and screwing, pumping out babies like happy, horny little monkeys.

People keep saying things like this, and yet almost all population growth in developed countries is happening because of immigration, and the vast majority of population growth is happening in poor countries.  This would indicate that we CAN transcend our biology as it pertains to reproduction - it’s just that the third world hasn’t been able to do so.  How exactly we achieve this is complex, but I don’t think things are as bleak as you’re making them out to be.

 
 
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13 October 2018 11:55
 

Is it time yet for Trump and the evangelicals to cut U.N. funding for family planning advice in Third World countries?  https://qz.com/africa/1099546/population-growth-africans-will-be-a-third-of-all-people-on-earth-by-2100/