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Can’t win for losing - being Black in America

 
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12 November 2018 05:10
 
Quadrewple - 11 November 2018 10:35 PM
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Let the Blacks speak for themselves.  And they are. Let’s listen.

The instant you tell me (because I’m white) to listen to someone (because they’re black), you are applying two different standards to two different races

That is a fucked up world you live in when listening to another person means you lose.  Your world is divided into us and them.  We cannot have a discussion when listening is an act of hostility.

 
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13 November 2018 04:10
 
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Quadrewple - 11 November 2018 10:35 PM
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Let the Blacks speak for themselves.  And they are. Let’s listen.

The instant you tell me (because I’m white) to listen to someone (because they’re black), you are applying two different standards to two different races

That is a fucked up world you live in when listening to another person means you lose.  Your world is divided into us and them.  We cannot have a discussion when listening is an act of hostility.

That is some fucked up logic if you think your re-framing follows from what he said.

 
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13 November 2018 06:45
 

You have to imagine what it’s like to have no voice.  When nobody ever listens to you based on the colour of your skin or your gender or your nationality or less than enviable second hand clothes or some other perceived anomaly you have no control over.  When you live in a society that doesn’t recognize your needs you are never represented or accounted for and you are forced to live among those who do have a voice.  And can only hope they speak for you.  That isn’t equal footing.  If you’ve never truly struggled to be heard, to get a word in, stand up for yourself, often risking everything, you can’t possibly understand how it feels.  When the world is telling you what you say doesn’t matter.  What you think doesn’t matter.  You…don’t matter.  And it makes you invisible.

 
 
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13 November 2018 07:10
 

No voice.  Nobody ever listens.  It makes you invisible

It’s almost amazing how people you claim to speak for would think you actually speak for them were you to discard the hyperbole that gives your advocacy its style and rhetorical force, while simultaneously draining it of any policy relevance. 

Now, if you are just speaking for yourself, then this former clinician suggests watching out for universalizing statements.  They are almost invariably a sign of dysfunctional thinking that causes more self-inflicted misery than not.

 
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13 November 2018 07:34
 

Any actual former clinician would likely refrain from psychoanalysing strangers on the Internet.

 
 
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13 November 2018 07:51
 
bbearren - 07 November 2018 08:15 AM

Apparently no one participating in this thread is black.

It also would appear that no one participating in this thread lives in the deep south.

Voters kill remnants of Jim Crow in Florida and Louisiana

The white southerners who changed their views on racism

 
 
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13 November 2018 07:52
 
LadyJane - 13 November 2018 07:34 AM

Any actual former clinician would likely refrain from psychoanalysing strangers on the Internet.

But it’s where are the nuts are…

 
 
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13 November 2018 08:33
 
TheAnal_lyticPhilosopher - 13 November 2018 07:10 AM

No voice.  Nobody ever listens.  It makes you invisible.

Before last weeks election, ~10% of Florida’s voting age electorate were “invisible” at the polls.  Does that count as “no voice”?

“A long overdue reckoning with America’s post-slavery subjugation of black people unfolded in Florida and Louisiana on Tuesday, as voters threw out vestiges of the post-Reconstruction Jim Crow era. Two laws were overturned: One had prevented felons from voting in Florida, and the other allowed jurors in Louisiana to convict someone without a unanimous vote.

Both laws, which were written into the states’ Constitutions in the late 1800s in response to a wave of new rights granted to black Americans, had survived multiple court challenges but crumbled when put before voters. Ballot referendums doing away with the laws each passed with 64 percent of the vote, a level of bipartisan support that could provide momentum to dismantle similar statutes in other states.

“I sense a growing awareness among people that our justice system is not always fair to everybody, that it is built upon systemic oppression,” said Angela Allen-Bell, who helped push the campaign in Louisiana as director of the Louis A. Berry Institute for Civil Rights and Justice at the Southern University Law Center. “That was an awakening that came out of last night.”

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13 November 2018 08:43
 
bbearren - 13 November 2018 08:33 AM
TheAnal_lyticPhilosopher - 13 November 2018 07:10 AM

No voice.  Nobody ever listens.  It makes you invisible.

Before last weeks election, ~10% of Florida’s voting age electorate were “invisible” at the polls.  Does that count as “no voice”?

“A long overdue reckoning with America’s post-slavery subjugation of black people unfolded in Florida and Louisiana on Tuesday, as voters threw out vestiges of the post-Reconstruction Jim Crow era. Two laws were overturned: One had prevented felons from voting in Florida, and the other allowed jurors in Louisiana to convict someone without a unanimous vote.

Both laws, which were written into the states’ Constitutions in the late 1800s in response to a wave of new rights granted to black Americans, had survived multiple court challenges but crumbled when put before voters. Ballot referendums doing away with the laws each passed with 64 percent of the vote, a level of bipartisan support that could provide momentum to dismantle similar statutes in other states.

“I sense a growing awareness among people that our justice system is not always fair to everybody, that it is built upon systemic oppression,” said Angela Allen-Bell, who helped push the campaign in Louisiana as director of the Louis A. Berry Institute for Civil Rights and Justice at the Southern University Law Center. “That was an awakening that came out of last night.”

Yet they applied to white felons and accused as well, so bullshit.

 
 
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13 November 2018 09:25
 
GAD - 13 November 2018 08:43 AM

Yet they applied to white felons and accused as well, so bullshit.

Apparently no one participating in this thread is black.

It also would appear that no one participating in this thread lives in the deep south.

 
 
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13 November 2018 09:31
 
LadyJane - 13 November 2018 06:45 AM

You have to imagine what it’s like to have no voice.  When nobody ever listens to you based on the colour of your skin or your gender or your nationality or less than enviable second hand clothes or some other perceived anomaly you have no control over.  When you live in a society that doesn’t recognize your needs you are never represented or accounted for and you are forced to live among those who do have a voice.  And can only hope they speak for you.  That isn’t equal footing.  If you’ve never truly struggled to be heard, to get a word in, stand up for yourself, often risking everything, you can’t possibly understand how it feels.  When the world is telling you what you say doesn’t matter.  What you think doesn’t matter.  You…don’t matter.  And it makes you invisible.

TheAnal_lyticPhilosopher - 13 November 2018 07:10 AM

No voice.  Nobody ever listens.  It makes you invisible
It’s almost amazing how people you claim to speak for would think you actually speak for them were you to discard the hyperbole that gives your advocacy its style and rhetorical force, while simultaneously draining it of any policy relevance. 

Now, if you are just speaking for yourself, then this former clinician suggests watching out for universalizing statements.  They are almost invariably a sign of dysfunctional thinking that causes more self-inflicted misery than not.

Hyperbole and dysfunctional thinking?  Not even close.  Her post indicates the ability to listen and to consider others’ perspectives – it’s called empathy and understanding.

 

 
 
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13 November 2018 09:44
 
bbearren - 13 November 2018 09:25 AM
GAD - 13 November 2018 08:43 AM

Yet they applied to white felons and accused as well, so bullshit.

Apparently no one participating in this thread is black.

It also would appear that no one participating in this thread lives in the deep south.

But they have you to save them. To bad it’s not 1800, 1900, 1950 etc…

Lets see, the prime felonies are rape, robbery, assault, murder and drug dealing, and they now get to vote and you are so excited! Why, because you know that white felons who committed those crimes did so by choice while the black felons were forced to by evil white men and now they can vote and pay back those evil white men. Hooray!

 
 
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13 November 2018 10:00
 
GAD - 13 November 2018 08:43 AM
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TheAnal_lyticPhilosopher - 13 November 2018 07:10 AM

No voice.  Nobody ever listens.  It makes you invisible.

Before last weeks election, ~10% of Florida’s voting age electorate were “invisible” at the polls.  Does that count as “no voice”?

“A long overdue reckoning with America’s post-slavery subjugation of black people unfolded in Florida and Louisiana on Tuesday, as voters threw out vestiges of the post-Reconstruction Jim Crow era. Two laws were overturned: One had prevented felons from voting in Florida, and the other allowed jurors in Louisiana to convict someone without a unanimous vote.

Both laws, which were written into the states’ Constitutions in the late 1800s in response to a wave of new rights granted to black Americans, had survived multiple court challenges but crumbled when put before voters. Ballot referendums doing away with the laws each passed with 64 percent of the vote, a level of bipartisan support that could provide momentum to dismantle similar statutes in other states.

“I sense a growing awareness among people that our justice system is not always fair to everybody, that it is built upon systemic oppression,” said Angela Allen-Bell, who helped push the campaign in Louisiana as director of the Louis A. Berry Institute for Civil Rights and Justice at the Southern University Law Center. “That was an awakening that came out of last night.”

Yet they applied to white felons and accused as well, so bullshit.

Disproportionally.  “Florida has the nation’s highest rate of felony disenfranchisement, with over 1.5 million people and 23 percent of the state’s black population unable to vote due to a felony conviction. That equates to more than 10 percent of the state’s voting-age population.

Republican leadership in Florida and other states have used felony convictions to purge millions of Americans—many who were not actually felons—from voter rolls.

In 2007, people with felony convictions in Florida automatically had their voting rights restored after completion of sentence under clemency rules established by then-Governor Charlie Crist.”

Crist’s successor, Governor Rick Scott, revoked this policy. Citizens with past criminal convictions must again apply for restoration of their rights, and wait years to do so. Governor Scott’s election was defined by use of his multimillion-dollar fortune to run for office, and by accusations of electronic voting machine fraud.

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13 November 2018 10:10
 
GAD - 13 November 2018 09:44 AM
bbearren - 13 November 2018 09:25 AM
GAD - 13 November 2018 08:43 AM

Yet they applied to white felons and accused as well, so bullshit.

Apparently no one participating in this thread is black.

It also would appear that no one participating in this thread lives in the deep south.

But they have you to save them. To bad it’s not 1800, 1900, 1950 etc…

Lets see, the prime felonies are rape, robbery, assault, murder and drug dealing, and they now get to vote and you are so excited! Why, because you know that white felons who committed those crimes did so by choice while the black felons were forced to by evil white men and now they can vote and pay back those evil white men. Hooray!

Evidently you don’t click on any of the links that are embedded in posts (nor would I expect you to do so; you are, after all, the GAD).

Let’s see, specifically, Amendment 4 excludes felons convicted of murder and rape from having their voting rights restored.

And you’re forgetting this:

“I” am a human brain, I am not “a human brain owner”, nor here to build cred, reputation, or to be recognized as having an opinion worth addressing.  I am only the dust and ashes of exploded stars.
“The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem, savvy?”—Captain Jack Sparrow

I am primarily posting quotes from articles and links to those articles.  I’m not offering much at all in the way of opinion.

 
 
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13 November 2018 12:53
 
Skipshot - 12 November 2018 05:10 AM

That is a fucked up world you live in when listening to another person means you lose.  Your world is divided into us and them.  We cannot have a discussion when listening is an act of hostility.

No one said listening is losing - that’s a figment of your own imagination.  And the only person here prescribing different sets of behavior because of racial heritage is you.  Either your reading comprehension needs work or you just got triggered badly.

All you’ve done is imply negative characteristics about whites in America (as a group), without having the intellectual honesty to be explicit.  If I just implied negative characteristics about blacks in America (as a group), would you be willing to let that slide?  Why so hesitant to put your cards on the table?  You’re engaging in the equivalent of challenging someone to a fist fight and refusing to take your hands out of your pockets.

 
 
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