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Gun Culture. Long Term Strategy

 
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17 November 2018 18:26
 
Jefe - 17 November 2018 12:19 PM
unsmoked - 16 November 2018 10:58 AM
Jefe - 16 November 2018 10:22 AM
Skipshot - 16 November 2018 03:07 AM

1,000 six-year-olds could be sacrificed each month on the alter of the gun god and Americans would be cool with it as long as they get to keep their guns, because their guns are totally with it.

I’m sad because I think this is largely true.
If Sandy Hook didn’t precipitate change, it seems to me that not much will.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/22/us/politics/trump-guns-school-shootings.html

In this clip Trump is suggesting that teachers who carry guns should get a bonus.  Can you imagine a teacher trying to get a handgun out of holster, drawer, or purse while the killer is spraying the room with an AR15?  Is Trump forgetting that most mass murderers and terrorists are on a suicide mission when they load up and head out?  If someone else doesn’t kill them they usually kill themselves before being captured.  Are such people turned away by a sign on the door saying ‘WARNING!  TEACHERS ARE ARMED!’  Doesn’t that just spice it up for them?

“He [Trump] will go on, at best, ignoring the mortal peril of gun violence . . . ”  - David Remnick, editor, The New Yorker - Nov. 15, 2018

In this video, move forward to 2.5 minutes to see what teacher with pistol is up against.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSizVpfqFtw

The thing is, the pro-teachers-with-guns folks think that increasing proliferation of fire-arms is ok.

If you are in the business of selling guns, then everyone should have one.

 
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18 November 2018 08:50
 
Skipshot - 17 November 2018 06:26 PM
Jefe - 17 November 2018 12:19 PM
unsmoked - 16 November 2018 10:58 AM
Jefe - 16 November 2018 10:22 AM
Skipshot - 16 November 2018 03:07 AM

1,000 six-year-olds could be sacrificed each month on the alter of the gun god and Americans would be cool with it as long as they get to keep their guns, because their guns are totally with it.

I’m sad because I think this is largely true.
If Sandy Hook didn’t precipitate change, it seems to me that not much will.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/22/us/politics/trump-guns-school-shootings.html

In this clip Trump is suggesting that teachers who carry guns should get a bonus.  Can you imagine a teacher trying to get a handgun out of holster, drawer, or purse while the killer is spraying the room with an AR15?  Is Trump forgetting that most mass murderers and terrorists are on a suicide mission when they load up and head out?  If someone else doesn’t kill them they usually kill themselves before being captured.  Are such people turned away by a sign on the door saying ‘WARNING!  TEACHERS ARE ARMED!’  Doesn’t that just spice it up for them?

“He [Trump] will go on, at best, ignoring the mortal peril of gun violence . . . ”  - David Remnick, editor, The New Yorker - Nov. 15, 2018

In this video, move forward to 2.5 minutes to see what teacher with pistol is up against.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSizVpfqFtw

The thing is, the pro-teachers-with-guns folks think that increasing proliferation of fire-arms is ok.

If you are in the business of selling guns, then everyone should have…

... a dozen or so…

FTFY

 
 
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18 November 2018 11:20
 
Jefe - 18 November 2018 08:50 AM
Skipshot - 17 November 2018 06:26 PM
Jefe - 17 November 2018 12:19 PM
unsmoked - 16 November 2018 10:58 AM
Jefe - 16 November 2018 10:22 AM
Skipshot - 16 November 2018 03:07 AM

1,000 six-year-olds could be sacrificed each month on the alter of the gun god and Americans would be cool with it as long as they get to keep their guns, because their guns are totally with it.

I’m sad because I think this is largely true.
If Sandy Hook didn’t precipitate change, it seems to me that not much will.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/22/us/politics/trump-guns-school-shootings.html

In this clip Trump is suggesting that teachers who carry guns should get a bonus.  Can you imagine a teacher trying to get a handgun out of holster, drawer, or purse while the killer is spraying the room with an AR15?  Is Trump forgetting that most mass murderers and terrorists are on a suicide mission when they load up and head out?  If someone else doesn’t kill them they usually kill themselves before being captured.  Are such people turned away by a sign on the door saying ‘WARNING!  TEACHERS ARE ARMED!’  Doesn’t that just spice it up for them?

“He [Trump] will go on, at best, ignoring the mortal peril of gun violence . . . ”  - David Remnick, editor, The New Yorker - Nov. 15, 2018

In this video, move forward to 2.5 minutes to see what teacher with pistol is up against.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSizVpfqFtw

The thing is, the pro-teachers-with-guns folks think that increasing proliferation of fire-arms is ok.

If you are in the business of selling guns, then everyone should have…

... a dozen or so…

FTFY

Also, if you are in the business of selling F-22 Raptors then allied billionaire psychopaths should have as many as they want to buy.  Jobs!  Prosperity!

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2018/10/20/opinion/prince-scarface-how-long-can-mohammed-bin-salman-last

https://condenaststore.com/featured/the-founding-fathers-sit-around-the-constitution-david-sipress.html

 
 
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26 November 2018 11:17
 

Sometimes I try to put myself in the shoes of a gun law reform activist.

Imagine they have been campaigning, talking about the need for gun law reform for the past ten years.

How much has changed in the last 10 years for gun laws?  Not much.

So I’d ask, was that 10 years well spent?

Wouldn’t all that time spent in politics and debate have been better spent volunteering, helping out people with mental illness, poor children, etc?  Spreading knowledge about mental/physical health?  Spreading knowledge about human psychology and its pitfalls?

At what point does political campaigning become about more about ego gratification than helping people?

It’s not that I think reforming gun laws is meaningless or that I oppose it in all situations, it’s that I question the motives of the people who spend so much time talking and worrying about it.

 
 
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26 November 2018 11:54
 
Quadrewple - 26 November 2018 11:17 AM

Sometimes I try to put myself in the shoes of a gun law reform activist.

Imagine they have been campaigning, talking about the need for gun law reform for the past ten years.

How much has changed in the last 10 years for gun laws?  Not much.

So I’d ask, was that 10 years well spent?

Wouldn’t all that time spent in politics and debate have been better spent volunteering, helping out people with mental illness, poor children, etc?  Spreading knowledge about mental/physical health?  Spreading knowledge about human psychology and its pitfalls?

At what point does political campaigning become about more about ego gratification than helping people?

It’s not that I think reforming gun laws is meaningless or that I oppose it in all situations, it’s that I question the motives of the people who spend so much time talking and worrying about it.

What were the motives of the abolitionists in the 1840’s and 1850’s.  Why did they spend so much time talking and worrying about slavery in the U.S.?  Was it that slavery damaged the reputation of the U.S.?  Was it that it made a mockery of the idea that all men are created equal?

The motives of the people who talk and worry about U.S. gun deaths?  https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/theres-a-new-global-ranking-of-gun-deaths-heres-where-the-u-s-stands

The shame of it all?  National disgrace?  Like our international reputation as Trump calls climate science a hoax?

 

 

 
 
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