U-turn of fuel tax hikes

 
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04 December 2018 08:39
 

Anyone been following this? France tried to raise prices on gas etc to fund going green and the people went to war in the streets. This is why this kind of change has to be evolution not revolution. 

Macron caves in as French PM announces U-turn of fuel tax hikes to end violent ‘yellow vest’ protests

 
 
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04 December 2018 19:47
 

Ironic! Parisians rebelling against the Paris accord.

 
 
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I think most people, including the press, are missing what’s really happening in France.

It’s not that the French don’t care about curbing global warming, they do. What’s happening is that the poor and lower-middle classes in France who live outside of Paris, are being financially stretched beyond their limits. People were upset to begin with at how difficult it is for them to make ends meet. This new gasoline tax was the last straw.

This protest was a totally organic occurrence. The French spontaneously took to social media, self-organized, gathered together and protested. There are no leaders in this movement. It’s a shame it turned violent, but nonetheless, it proved to be effective.

There is a worldwide situation which is facing all the people of first-world nations, including America. This situation is caused by massive income inequality and the ever increasing powers of global corporations and oligarchs to influence the politics of nations. People are struggling to keep up financially and more and more are being left behind.

The French Revolution influenced the American Revolution. Perhaps the French will once again spark another revolution; a global one this time.

 
 
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05 December 2018 17:25
 
Cheshire Cat - 05 December 2018 11:04 AM

The French Revolution influenced the American Revolution.

The American revolution was over by the time the French revolution started.

 
 
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05 December 2018 18:20
 
Antisocialdarwinist - 05 December 2018 05:25 PM
Cheshire Cat - 05 December 2018 11:04 AM

The French Revolution influenced the American Revolution.

The American revolution was over by the time the French revolution started.

Yeah, I know.

I said the French Revolution influenced the American Revolution.

 
 
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05 December 2018 21:02
 
Cheshire Cat - 05 December 2018 11:04 AM

I think most people, including the press, are missing what’s really happening in France.

No, it is clear.

It’s not that the French don’t care about curbing global warming, they do. What’s happening is that the poor and lower-middle classes in France who live outside of Paris, are being financially stretched beyond their limits. People were upset to begin with at how difficult it is for them to make ends meet. This new gasoline tax was the last straw.

Yes.

This protest was a totally organic occurrence. The French spontaneously took to social media, self-organized, gathered together and protested. There are no leaders in this movement. It’s a shame it turned violent, but nonetheless, it proved to be effective.

It appears to have leaders.

There is a worldwide situation which is facing all the people of first-world nations, including America. This situation is caused by massive income inequality and the ever increasing powers of global corporations and oligarchs to influence the politics of nations. People are struggling to keep up financially and more and more are being left behind.

No, it’s not about inequality, and no global corporation or oligarch wanted this, this was government, their elected officials. 

 

 
 
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06 December 2018 06:17
 

The French have a healthy appetite for protest, and this is a good example of it, as they do it from the bottom up.  France doesn’t seem to have an equivalent of Fox News brainwashing the masses to support their overlords.  Vive la revolution!

 
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06 December 2018 13:38
 
GAD - 05 December 2018 09:02 PM
Cheshire Cat - 05 December 2018 11:04 AM

I think most people, including the press, are missing what’s really happening in France.

No, it is clear.

It’s not that the French don’t care about curbing global warming, they do. What’s happening is that the poor and lower-middle classes in France who live outside of Paris, are being financially stretched beyond their limits. People were upset to begin with at how difficult it is for them to make ends meet. This new gasoline tax was the last straw.

Yes.

This protest was a totally organic occurrence. The French spontaneously took to social media, self-organized, gathered together and protested. There are no leaders in this movement. It’s a shame it turned violent, but nonetheless, it proved to be effective.

It appears to have leaders.

There is a worldwide situation which is facing all the people of first-world nations, including America. This situation is caused by massive income inequality and the ever increasing powers of global corporations and oligarchs to influence the politics of nations. People are struggling to keep up financially and more and more are being left behind.

No, it’s not about inequality, and no global corporation or oligarch wanted this, this was government, their elected officials. 

 

I’ve read a few articles that say there are no leaders to this revolt. There was no one for Macron to negotiate with so he had no choice but to capitulate and kill the tax hike.

Macron did basically the same thing we did in the US, he gave a big fat tax cut to the rich, the ones who need it least. I don’t know if France’s political system is as corrupt as ours, but I suspect the oligarchs have paid off a few French politicians to get what they want. Just like here. Or, perhaps Macron, having been an investment banker, is sympathetic to the fat cats. Or both. Either way, the protesters don’t like it and they have been calling Macron the “president of the rich.”

And you are right, no global corporation or oligarch wants rioting in the streets. In fact, it’s the last thing they want. They love the status quo. They don’t want the peasants to revolt and ruin their gravy train. They don’t want the workers who are getting squeezed and screwed to demand change.

 
 
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Cheshire Cat - 06 December 2018 01:38 PM

And you are right, no global corporation or oligarch wants rioting in the streets. In fact, it’s the last thing they want. They love the status quo. They don’t want the peasants to revolt and ruin their gravy train. They don’t want the workers who are getting squeezed and screwed to demand change.

Even more they don’t want governments putting high taxes on their shit because then the poor can’t buy as much.

 
 
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07 December 2018 11:26
 
GAD - 06 December 2018 05:58 PM
Cheshire Cat - 06 December 2018 01:38 PM

And you are right, no global corporation or oligarch wants rioting in the streets. In fact, it’s the last thing they want. They love the status quo. They don’t want the peasants to revolt and ruin their gravy train. They don’t want the workers who are getting squeezed and screwed to demand change.

Even more they don’t want governments putting high taxes on their shit because then the poor can’t buy as much.

https://truthout.org/articles/oil-industry-spent-millions-to-defeat-carbon-tax-in-washington-state/

 
 
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unsmoked - 07 December 2018 11:26 AM
GAD - 06 December 2018 05:58 PM
Cheshire Cat - 06 December 2018 01:38 PM

And you are right, no global corporation or oligarch wants rioting in the streets. In fact, it’s the last thing they want. They love the status quo. They don’t want the peasants to revolt and ruin their gravy train. They don’t want the workers who are getting squeezed and screwed to demand change.

Even more they don’t want governments putting high taxes on their shit because then the poor can’t buy as much.

https://truthout.org/articles/oil-industry-spent-millions-to-defeat-carbon-tax-in-washington-state/

Exactly.