Whether those killed Jesus were not sinners? - A must read

 
dattaswami
 
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12 January 2019 05:11
 

Q) People, who crucified Jesus (along with the disciple cheating Jesus) have done this sin as per the will of God only and did not commit any sin. How do you justify this?

ANSWER: If these people are not sinners, why Jesus prayed God to excuse them for their sin? At the same time, since Jesus told that the will of God, which is crucifixion of Jesus, shall be done (Ref: prayer of Jesus before arrest) they can’t be punished and hence no need of excusing them since they acted as per the will of God. This is a critical juncture developed by misunderstanding a subtle concept of correlation:

There are two contradicting concepts: 1) Everything takes place in this world as per the will of God only, in which case, none shall be punished and God only shall be punished for all the sins and 2) even though God is the basic power of action, the direction of the deed is set by the souls only and hence good or bad fruit shall reach the soul only in the end. The first concept is defective and shall be modified as that every action takes place as per the will of God only in the sense that the will of God is the basic power of action that does not decide the direction of the action. If the first concept is modified in this way, it does not contradict the second concept.

In the above settled setup, the basic question is that whether the crucifixion of Jesus was done by the will of God or by the sinful will of those cruel people. The answer is that crucifixion of Jesus was purely done by the cruel will of those people only. Now, where is the place for God’s will? The place for God’s will is that it can stop the crucifixion if God likes so. It is on this point, the discussion between God and Jesus went on. In fact, Jesus asked God that whether He can stop the crucifixion of Jesus or not. The prayer of Jesus did not contain the point that why God planned such horrible crucifixion.

Therefore, it is clear that the crucifixion is not the plan of God, but, is the plan of those people as per their cruel psychology. God only used this incident to create sympathy and kindness in those stony hearts to induce spiritual knowledge in future. Hence, God did not stop the natural incidents that will take place as per their cruel minds. The sacrifice of Jesus was at this juncture to be prepared for the horrible slaughter for this divine purpose.

This preparedness of Jesus for the divine service is the test of God. Jesus has not done any previous sin for which such punishment is given by those people, in which case, they are not sinners. It is a fresh sin committed by those people and not the revengeful punishment for any previous sin committed by Jesus (human being component). If you take the example of Kartavirya, he was having defective hands, which were broken by the hit of Datta in His test. If Kartavirya was in his palace only without coming to Datta, he would have fallen from upper floor and the same punishment would have happened.

This case is punishment of his previous sin, which was used by Datta for His test. In the case of Jesus, the cruel crucifixion given by those people was not the punishment of any previous sin of Jesus. You can differentiate Jesus and Kartavirya from their behaviors in their lives. Since crucifixion was a fresh sin committed by those people, they shall be punished in the future. In view of this only, Jesus prayed God to excuse them since their sin was fresh and not a form of revenge of some previous sin. Since their cruel nature was used for the divine purpose, there is logic in the prayer of Jesus to excuse them.

This correlation is very important because every fellow does a sin and says that the sin happened since the will of God is reason for everything! Such wrong concepts twisted to escape from the punishments of sins are useless since these indicate the over-intelligence of some wrong preachers in twisting the concepts for negative applications.

 
Nhoj Morley
 
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12 January 2019 05:43
 

Thank you for this warning against “over-intelligence”.

Any practice of posting densely spiritual stuff without accepting the challenge that is it inviting is not welcome. I trust you are prepared to defend this ‘position’.

FYI, we have very few sinners here.

 
 
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12 January 2019 08:15
 

ds,

Your theories are far from parsimonious.

 
 
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13 January 2019 12:31
 

If I understand your post correctly, then Jesus, who is the embodiment of both God and Man in the New Testament, was born on earth to preach, teach and perform miracles. Aside from this, there was no “master plan” by God for him to die on the cross for Mankind’s sins. Jesus could very well have lived to a ripe old age since nothing was preordained. Except for the free-will of “sinners” such as Judas Iscariot, who for there own evil reasons, sold out Jesus and purposely lead him to his painful death, there was no other reason for Jesus to die?

Is this what you are saying?