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Tell Me I’m Dreaming - Mueller Report May Not be Made Public

 
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16 January 2019 09:59
 

Trump appointee, William Barr, tells lawmakers Mueller’s long-awaited report might not be made public.  https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/william-barr-confirmation-hearing-attorney-general-watch-live-stream-today-2019-01-15/

1:45 p.m.: Barr suggests Mueller’s long-awaited report might not be made public

In a back-and-forth with Sen. Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii), Barr threw cold water on the notion that Mueller’s report might be made public.

quote:  Barr suggested he is inclined to think a sitting president cannot be indicted. “For 40 years the position of the executive branch is that you can’t indict a sitting president,” Barr said, adding that he hasn’t read those opinions in a long time, but “I see no reason to change them.”

It’s unclear if Mueller’s final report on the investigation will be made public. Barr said he wants to make as much public as is consistent with the special counsel regulation, but it’s Barr who has the final say on what is made public, and he suggested that in the event prosecution is declined, those findings may not be made public.

[ Edited: 16 January 2019 10:41 by unsmoked]
 
 
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16 January 2019 18:43
 

ugh

 
 
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21 January 2019 03:36
 

Don’t worry - it will be made public….
... after Trump and Giuliani had a chance to edit it:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/424871-exclusive-trump-team-should-be-allowed-to-correct-final-mueller

 
 
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25 March 2019 07:44
 

Attorney General W.P. Barr’s four-page summary letter (March 24, 2019)
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5779684/AG-March-24-2019-Letter-to-House-and-Senate.pdf


Regardless of a statement in Barr’s letter (page 3, 1st paragraph), Trump is claiming “complete and total exoneration”.

The Special Counsel states that ‘while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him’.


Barr’s letter (page 4, 1st paragraph) says “... my goal and intent is to release as much of the Special Counsel’s report as I can consistent with applicable law, regulations and Departmental policies”.


It’ll be interesting to see how much of the report does get released.  I suspect (but unsure) that inconclusiveness of the report may close the door to possible impeachment or criminal charges, but may possibly have some affect on the next election.

 
 
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25 March 2019 08:33
 

He is not making a claim. He is composing a song. It is already playing all day on fox. The inflection, pacing, and accents are the same with each delivery. Learn the music and feel informed. While the eggheads are over-examining things, foxies can have a happy-dance. No collusion. Complete exoneration. Total vindication. Can you feel the jungle beat?

The next election is already terrifying. How do we beat a jukebox?

 
 
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25 March 2019 09:50
 
Nhoj Morley - 25 March 2019 08:33 AM

He is not making a claim. He is composing a song. It is already playing all day on fox. The inflection, pacing, and accents are the same with each delivery. Learn the music and feel informed. While the eggheads are over-examining things, foxies can have a happy-dance. No collusion. Complete exoneration. Total vindication. Can you feel the jungle beat?

The next election is already terrifying. How do we beat a jukebox?

Yes, it is terrifying.

The opposition could come up with some of the same to fight them using their own methods.
Or better yet, an anthem for those who need more than a sound-bite.  To reflect that this is a fight between the simpletons and the reasoned.

I think I will not dance could work, a song from the 70`s, but just as applicable now.

[ Edited: 25 March 2019 11:01 by Jan_CAN]
 
 
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Nhoj Morley - 25 March 2019 08:33 AM

He is not making a claim. He is composing a song. It is already playing all day on fox. The inflection, pacing, and accents are the same with each delivery. Learn the music and feel informed. While the eggheads are over-examining things, foxies can have a happy-dance. No collusion. Complete exoneration. Total vindication. Can you feel the jungle beat?

The next election is already terrifying. How do we beat a jukebox?

By composing one of your own, like this: Trump, Russia, Possible Collusion. Only better.

 
 
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25 March 2019 12:52
 

Adam Schiff has long ago decided to go ahead regardless of the Mueller probe, starting by summonings everyone of interest to testify before his committee.
The SDNY can now forge ahead with investigations that might have interfered with Mueller.
Claims that Trump is exonerated because he isn’t in jail yet just prove a very narrow view of the scope of the disaster that is the Trump Presidency m

 
 
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26 March 2019 08:08
 

The only hope is to beat him in 2020. He won’t be convicted if impeached (he controls the Senate) and he won’t be prosecuted (he controls the DOJ).  It has to be democracy in action.  Get off your butts and vote.

 
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EN - 26 March 2019 08:08 AM

The only hope is to beat him in 2020. He won’t be convicted if impeached (he controls the Senate) and he won’t be prosecuted (he controls the DOJ).  It has to be democracy in action.  Get off your butts and vote.

His victory dance includes calling his critics treasonous and enemies of the people.  (the people being the minority who voted for him).  In 2020, if polls convince him that he is going to lose the election he will likely attempt to declare a national emergency and cancel the election.  In the meantime he may continue to consolidate his grip on the military (as Commander In Chief) by starting a war with Iran (working with Netanyahu).  A disaster like that will be thrown in with his other claims of a national emergency making a 2020 election impossible because of all the treasonous enemies of the people who are attempting to vote him out of office.

This morning he is already making moves to control the news media, telling networks which people they should not allow their anchors to interview.

I think Americans are totally naive about how autocrats gain power and seize control - how, once they have gained control, autocrats are quickly able to arrest and eliminate their critics.  “It can’t happen here!  We have too many checks and balances!”  Trump has over 60 million supporters who will go along with anything that he does or says.  His tweets are music to their ears.  Can you imagine the author of this November 9, 2016 article not being arrested for treason?  https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/an-american-tragedy-2

Trump lost the 2016 election by 3 million votes.  Our representatives are so weak we still haven’t even seen his tax returns, let alone the Mueller Report.  If we do see it, it will look like our own scientists’ report on climate change - https://www.audubon.org/magazine/summer-2018/how-us-government-aggressively-censoring-climate

In early 1940’s newsreels we see millions cramming the streets of Berlin, cheering and weeping with joy, scattering flowers in front of his motorcade, holding their babies up to catch a glimpse of the Supreme Leader . . . those are newsreels - not fiction.  Do you think Trump doesn’t want to eliminate all those who don’t return the salute?  Who don’t cheer at his rallies?  Is he calling his critics ‘Enemies of the People’ as a joke?  Isn’t that how you define traitors?  (enemies of the people).

Quote from:  https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/an-american-tragedy-2  (written Nov. 9, 2016)

“The election of Donald Trump to the Presidency is nothing less than a tragedy for the American republic, a tragedy for the Constitution, and a triumph for the forces, at home and abroad, of nativism, authoritarianism, misogyny, and racism. Trump’s shocking victory, his ascension to the Presidency, is a sickening event in the history of the United States and liberal democracy. On January 20, 2017, we will bid farewell to the first African-American President—a man of integrity, dignity, and generous spirit—and witness the inauguration of a con who did little to spurn endorsement by forces of xenophobia and white supremacy. It is impossible to react to this moment with anything less than revulsion and profound anxiety.”  (end quote)

Is this what Mueller’s report will look like when Congress and the public see it?  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Redacted777.png

 

 

 

[ Edited: 26 March 2019 11:24 by unsmoked]
 
 
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26 March 2019 20:22
 
Antisocialdarwinist - 25 March 2019 10:01 AM


By composing one of your own,

Noooo ko-loo-shan
Why did we ever say collusion?

His first fart down the escalator
put our politics on a respirator
There never was a plan to win
It was just a chance to jut his chin

The evangelical folks did pin
their hopes on him despite the sin
The ruskies saw a hopeless fool
eager to be a useful tool

This tie-drenched fart was only rootin
to own a toilet higher than Putin’s
in a Moscow Tower with bugged robo-fleas
and room service by the KGB

Noooo ko-loo-shan
Why did we ever say collusion?

White lads and Natzies saw in him
a chance to make our dome cave in
Some folks believed he could save the day
and make the future go away

The Dems were cocky despite the peeks
at Bill’s dicky past or wikileaks
Hillary’s plan had come apart
The election ended with a fart

We got Mr. Mueller to use his nose
and find how far up the smell goes
Why did we think that he would find
any trace of a mastermind?

Noooo ko-loo-shan
Why did we ever say collusion?

 
 
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27 March 2019 11:22
 

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/no-conspiracy-no-exoneration-the-conclusions-from-the-mueller-report

quotes from this article:

Steve Bannon, the strategist and ideologist who was instrumental in Trump’s campaign victory, hinted broadly at what might be next. In a telegraphic e-mail to the Washington Post, he said that Trump would “weaponize Mueller report to bludgeon Democrats. Expect him to ‘come off the chain.’ ”

In fairness, Bannon went on CBS a month ago and used similarly melodramatic language in an entirely different direction. He said that, now that the Democrats controlled the House, “they could weaponize the Mueller report.” He added, “I think that 2019 is going to be the most vitriolic year in American politics since before the Civil War. And I include Vietnam in that.”

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“Schiff said that it was a “mistake” for Mueller not to have interviewed the President face to face and to have accepted, instead, written responses to a series of questions. “I can certainly understand why the lawyers, like [Rudy] Giuliani, were fighting this, because the President is someone who seems pathologically incapable of telling the truth for long periods of time. But, nonetheless, if you really do want the truth, you need to put people under oath, and that should have been done.”

(here are the Democrats reading their expurgated copy of the Mueller Report)  (“No Virginia, you may not see the full report.”)

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Nhoj Morley - 26 March 2019 08:22 PM
Antisocialdarwinist - 25 March 2019 10:01 AM


By composing one of your own,

Noooo ko-loo-shan
Why did we ever say collusion?

His first fart down the escalator
put our politics on a respirator
There never was a plan to win
It was just a chance to jut his chin

The evangelical folks did pin
their hopes on him despite the sin
The ruskies saw a hopeless fool
eager to be a useful tool

This tie-drenched fart was only rootin
to own a toilet higher than Putin’s
in a Moscow Tower with bugged robo-fleas
and room service by the KGB

Noooo ko-loo-shan
Why did we ever say collusion?

White lads and Natzies saw in him
a chance to make our dome cave in
Some folks believed he could save the day
and make the future go away

The Dems were cocky despite the peeks
at Bill’s dicky past or wikileaks
Hillary’s plan had come apart
The election ended with a fart

We got Mr. Mueller to use his nose
and find how far up the smell goes
Why did we think that he would find
any trace of a mastermind?

Noooo ko-loo-shan
Why did we ever say collusion?

Ha ha, I need to hear the music that goes along with it. Well played.

Except that they’ll never say, “Why did we ever say collusion?” They keep doubling down.

 
 
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28 March 2019 12:58
 

Still way too verbose to be useful. I’ll keep trying.

A differently defined mission for Mueller might have been neat.

 
 
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28 March 2019 20:13
 

You people do realize that NO law enforcement investigations are ever made public, right, at least not in full?  There are portions of reports—redacted portions at that—that are subject to FOIA requests, but the complete report is not.  I guess you don’t, judging from the reactions I am reading here, but really, why should this surprise anyone?  In any investigation, there is all manner of confidential information, there are witnesses whose identity needs to be kept confidential, etc.  Attorneys have attorney/client privilege for very similar reasons.  This is the way the system works, and it works that way for a reason.  Don’t like it?  Well, okay, let’s change that.  All reports are now fully available to the public.  Are you ready for the crime wave that will ensue when the public—criminals included—realizes that there is no such thing as a confidential informant anymore?  Good luck getting anyone to come forward and testify.

I see far too much in this age of social media and a broken educational system, of people getting all outraged over things things of which they are frankly ignorant.  Add this to the list.

 
 
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29 March 2019 03:14
 

Some bits will be redacted because of ongoing investigations.
Some will be because they are Grand Jury testimony.

Beyond that, there is hardly any good reason the Trump administration make for Executive Privilege etc. after he and his House Intelligence Committee forced Clinton and the FBI to release material on investigations that normally would never be released. Trump is already demanding even more FBI material to prove why the Mueller probe should never have happened.
There is massive precedent that if Republicans get to publish everything, so do Dems.

Of course, the highly partisan Supreme Court might disagree, and Trump might be counting on that.

 
 
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