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Mostly liking the new, young congresswoman “AOC”

 
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25 January 2019 10:33
 

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is, IMO, making some nice waves in DC. In a short time, she’s proven she can shift the Overton window in ways that I think are really healthy. I don’t think her proposals are perfect, but I don’t think they need to be. I think she’s energizing a lot of young people, and I think she’s doing a good job of some stealth education. For example, I’ve read a few times that people are learning what “marginal taxes” really means, for the first time.

 
 
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icehorse - 25 January 2019 10:33 AM

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is, IMO, making some nice waves in DC. In a short time, she’s proven she can shift the Overton window in ways that I think are really healthy. I don’t think her proposals are perfect, but I don’t think they need to be. I think she’s energizing a lot of young people, and I think she’s doing a good job of some stealth education. For example, I’ve read a few times that people are learning what “marginal taxes” really means, for the first time.

Pretty good for somebody whose previous job was tending bar.

 
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25 January 2019 13:40
 

I have mixed feelings but the people who seem bent on discrediting her are making the case in reverse… she is definitely the enemy of my enemy.

 
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25 January 2019 15:16
 

She is pretty hot and I love her passion and energy, but I don’t care for her views.

 
 
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25 January 2019 17:31
 

She has a voice that needs to be heard, like it or not.

 
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25 January 2019 19:43
 
EN - 25 January 2019 05:31 PM

She has a voice that needs to be heard, like it or not.

And apparently knows how to use it.

 
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26 January 2019 10:12
 

She counterbalances the views of many others in the Congress, since she speaks from a background of being young, female, minority, low income, and fresh to the game.

 
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27 January 2019 05:53
 

Socialism and an erection? What’s a lad to do?

I hope she isn’t crushed by the attention and expectations. She may be up for it. For an old C-SPAN junkie, it is encouraging to see more Representatives who are representative.

 
 
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27 January 2019 07:56
 

Trump and Ocasio-Cortez use the same tricks to win at politics

They’re both brash outer-borough New Yorkers, each with their own notorious nickname — she’s AOC; he’s The Donald.

Both shocked their parties by coming out of nowhere to win their elections, defeating members of the establishment, despite being greatly outspent.

And both have broken the rules of DC politics in strikingly similar ways, using social media to push policy and usher in previously uninspired voters.

Though they have very different ideological bents, President Trump and newly minted Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are two sides of the same coin, heralding a new era of fresh, unbridled, unapologetic politics that delights a frustrated base of voters who feel forgotten.

“The similarities between the two New Yorkers are striking,” said Jeff Brauer, political science professor at Keystone College in LaPlume, Pa.

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Both AOC and Trump see themselves as consensus builders and dealmakers. At the same time, both profess boldly populist platforms — AOC from the left and Trump from the right. Both won and maintain support by speaking for those who’ve felt left out of economic and political power compared to traditional politicians who move toward the middle to try to attract those who disagree with them.

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Until people realize both leaders are tapping into the same core of American frustration right now, they’ll never truly understand our current political landscape. Members of the establishment need to get out of their bubbles and understand why people are rejecting them and flocking towards the disrupters.

This is who we are right now, and it’s who we are going to be for at least a decade. Trump and AOC didn’t cause it, they are the result of it, and the unrest will continue long after both have left office.

And both elicit the same irrational hysteria from their opponents.

 
 
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27 January 2019 08:10
 

asd:

And both elicit the same irrational hysteria from their opponents.

I’ll take exception to the idea that hating trump is irrational smile  Just one example, he’s a pathological liar, what’s not to hate? (tongue slightly in cheek).

 
 
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27 January 2019 08:13
 

from ASDs quote:

Until people realize both leaders are tapping into the same core of American frustration right now, they’ll never truly understand our current political landscape. Members of the establishment need to get out of their bubbles and understand why people are rejecting them and flocking towards the disrupters.

This is who we are right now, and it’s who we are going to be for at least a decade. Trump and AOC didn’t cause it, they are the result of it, and the unrest will continue long after both have left office.

If anything it’s who we should have been a few decades ago. It could just be me, but I get the sense that the writer of the article is subtly implying that it’s not rational for voters to like AOC’s proposals. While I think they go a bit too far, I find them to be completely rational (and essential) proposals.

 
 
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27 January 2019 08:55
 

A major difference between AOC and Trump is that Cortez grew up amongst the people she now purports to speak for.  On the other hand, Pres Trump, with the direction of his campaign staff, targeted his message to tap into a segment of the US population with which he had had no previous relationship.  His ultimate goal was to achieve personal greatness and to make life sweeter for the wealthy and powerful, like himself.  But in order to get elected, he had to appeal to the less educated, less affluent, and more socially conservative voters.  People he would not have given the time of day before.

 
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27 January 2019 16:53
 
hannahtoo - 27 January 2019 08:55 AM

A major difference between AOC and Trump is that Cortez grew up amongst the people she now purports to speak for.  On the other hand, Pres Trump, with the direction of his campaign staff, targeted his message to tap into a segment of the US population with which he had had no previous relationship.  His ultimate goal was to achieve personal greatness and to make life sweeter for the wealthy and powerful, like himself.  But in order to get elected, he had to appeal to the less educated, less affluent, and more socially conservative voters.  People he would not have given the time of day before.

That is a huge difference.  She is not deceiving her constituents into thinking that she is really one of them. She is actually one of them. Trump is a poseur who has convinced the gullible that he gives a shit about them, when he only cares about himself and his family/brand.

 
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28 January 2019 08:34
 
EN - 27 January 2019 04:53 PM
hannahtoo - 27 January 2019 08:55 AM

A major difference between AOC and Trump is that Cortez grew up amongst the people she now purports to speak for.  On the other hand, Pres Trump, with the direction of his campaign staff, targeted his message to tap into a segment of the US population with which he had had no previous relationship.  His ultimate goal was to achieve personal greatness and to make life sweeter for the wealthy and powerful, like himself.  But in order to get elected, he had to appeal to the less educated, less affluent, and more socially conservative voters.  People he would not have given the time of day before.

That is a huge difference.  She is not deceiving her constituents into thinking that she is really one of them. She is actually one of them. Trump is a poseur who has convinced the gullible that he gives a shit about them, when he only cares about himself and his family/brand.

Trump may care about America in the sense that he wants America to be the most bigly, yugest country in the world (with all the bizarre MacDonald’s buffets that might entail).  Though possibly pathological, his obsession with “winning” might shake out OK for the working poor like myself and the ignorant unwashed Bible clingers in the Rust Belt.  I can see him “caring” about poor white Americans in the same condescending way that I see many urban white elites treat People of Color, like pets..

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28 January 2019 12:42
 

Being less than verbally gifted, I’m hoping that “Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez” will eventually roll off my tongue as easily as “Paul Wellstone.” I wish the best for her. She’s got some heavy lifting to do.

 
 
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29 January 2019 10:08
 

diding:
Trump may care about America in the sense that he wants America to be the most bigly, yugest country in the world (with all the bizarre MacDonald’s buffets that might entail).  Though possibly pathological, his obsession with “winning” might shake out OK for the working poor like myself and the ignorant unwashed Bible clingers in the Rust Belt.  I can see him “caring” about poor white Americans in the same condescending way that I see many urban white elites treat People of Color, like pets.

This is the reason AOC is an important voice.  She presents a more authentic view from her demographic. 

Pres Trump “cares” about his supporters simply because they are the means to him staying in power.  During the rest of his life, he showed no interest in their welfare.  And his solutions are very short-sighted, in regards to benefiting his voters, so I doubt his policies will turn out “OK.”  He aims to have the US go it alone in the world.  However, the successful economies of the future will need to be more cooperative, not isolated.  The heartland depends on trade policies negotiated in trust, not threat.  Farms, factories, and businesses need immigrant laborers.  The grandchildren of Trump voters need us to address climate change today.

Outsiders can legitimately advocate for others—as an example, FDR helped the working class.  But I’d say they have to be less desperately self-centered than Pres Trump.

 
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