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23 February 2019 13:34
 

In another topic, obesity was mentioned as a national emergency.  It’s expected that by 2030 half the U.S. population will be obese.  Here is a book about one of the major causes of this epidemic - The Case Against Sugar by Gary Taubes.

“A groundbreaking eye-opening expose that makes the convincing case that sugar is the new tobacco:  backed by powerful lobbies, entrenched in our lives, and making us very sick,”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/books/review/case-against-sugar-gary-taubes.html

Say your child petitioned for permission to smoke a pack of cigarettes a week. Say his or her logic was that a pack a week is better than a pack a day. No dice, right?

O.K., now substitute sugar for cigarettes.

Comparing the dangers of inhaling cigarettes with chowing down on candy bars may sound like false equivalence, but Gary Taubes’s “The Case Against Sugar” will persuade you otherwise. Here is a book on sugar that sugarcoats nothing. The stuff kills.

Taubes begins with a kick in the teeth. Sugar is not only the root cause of today’s diabetes and obesity epidemics (had these been infectious diseases, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention would have long ago declared an emergency), but also, according to Taubes, is probably related to heart disease, hypertension, many common cancers and Alzheimer’s.

 

 
 
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23 February 2019 14:12
 

Just like cigarettes, you can simply choose not to do it, no one forces you to, blaming it on big sugar etc is absolute bullshit to absolve people of any responsibility and convince them they are owed free money through lawsuits.

 
 
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23 February 2019 14:23
 

Sugar is a case of something far more general. There is an attraction to sugar because in our evolutionary past having a sweet-tooth served to indicate nutritious food. This is because things like berries or some fruits that tasted sweet also contained lots of other things contributing to nutrition. What happened, however, with sugar, is that the sweetening element has been abstracted from this nutritional matrix and now is added to many not very nutritious manufactured food items in order to make them attractive to people. The same sort of process is used with many other things beyond food. One can argue that an unregulated efficient market will always produce this sort of result. GAD has an overly optimistic view of human choice capacity: some addictions cannot, for most people, be abandoned through choice.

 
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24 February 2019 08:49
 

They should tax the hell out of sugery crap. Those people are an economic burden to the system.

 
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24 February 2019 08:56
 
dazpetty - 24 February 2019 08:49 AM

They should tax the hell out of sugery crap. Those people are an economic burden to the system.

No they should tax obesity no matter how you achieve it.

 
 
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24 February 2019 09:06
 
GAD - 24 February 2019 08:56 AM
dazpetty - 24 February 2019 08:49 AM

They should tax the hell out of sugery crap. Those people are an economic burden to the system.

No they should tax obesity no matter how you achieve it.

Hey, we might agree on something! How would you implement that?

 
 
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24 February 2019 09:07
 

Just got back from the dentist, with two takeaway messages from the doc:

1 - Go to the dentist more often.
2 - You might get away with going less frequently if - like me - you don’t eat sugar.

 
 
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24 February 2019 09:10
 
GAD - 24 February 2019 08:56 AM
dazpetty - 24 February 2019 08:49 AM

They should tax the hell out of sugery crap. Those people are an economic burden to the system.

No they should tax obesity no matter how you achieve it.

How would that work ... a weigh-in on April 15?

 
 
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24 February 2019 09:33
 
icehorse - 24 February 2019 09:06 AM
GAD - 24 February 2019 08:56 AM
dazpetty - 24 February 2019 08:49 AM

They should tax the hell out of sugery crap. Those people are an economic burden to the system.

No they should tax obesity no matter how you achieve it.

Hey, we might agree on something! How would you implement that?

Wait, I’m not vilifying sugar, I’m holding people personally responsible to be responsible, so there is no evil X to save poor victim Y from, so how could we agree?

 
 
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24 February 2019 09:41
 
Jan_CAN - 24 February 2019 09:10 AM
GAD - 24 February 2019 08:56 AM
dazpetty - 24 February 2019 08:49 AM

They should tax the hell out of sugery crap. Those people are an economic burden to the system.

No they should tax obesity no matter how you achieve it.

How would that work ... a weigh-in on April 15?

Based on BMI/body fat % etc. When you go in for a yearly check your premium or Medicare coverage would be set based on a formula. If you didn’t go it would be set when you did with penalty etc. For it to work many people would have to be left behind without benefits and some would die, and people like you would cry and say we all have to pay to save them.

 
 
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24 February 2019 09:58
 
GAD - 24 February 2019 09:41 AM
Jan_CAN - 24 February 2019 09:10 AM
GAD - 24 February 2019 08:56 AM
dazpetty - 24 February 2019 08:49 AM

They should tax the hell out of sugery crap. Those people are an economic burden to the system.

No they should tax obesity no matter how you achieve it.

How would that work ... a weigh-in on April 15?

Based on BMI/body fat % etc. When you go in for a yearly check your premium or Medicare coverage would be set based on a formula. If you didn’t go it would be set when you did with penalty etc. For it to work many people would have to be left behind without benefits and some would die, and people like you would cry and say we all have to pay to save them.

It just wouldn’t work practically let alone morally.

Some people may not have an optimum BMI but still be healthy because of an active lifestyle; others may be a perfect weight, but still be sedentary or smoke like a chimney.  And if someone is overweight and low income because of lack of education, they will in effect be punished for that.  And all those fat people out there will fight that like the dickens.  We live in a society where people want the freedom of speech, the freedom of expression, and the freedom to eat fries.  Nah, it won’t work.

Better advertising and education wouldn’t hurt, but the fact is that society will always have to pick up the tab for some people who make bad choices.

 

 
 
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24 February 2019 10:05
 
Jan_CAN - 24 February 2019 09:58 AM
GAD - 24 February 2019 09:41 AM
Jan_CAN - 24 February 2019 09:10 AM
GAD - 24 February 2019 08:56 AM
dazpetty - 24 February 2019 08:49 AM

They should tax the hell out of sugery crap. Those people are an economic burden to the system.

No they should tax obesity no matter how you achieve it.

How would that work ... a weigh-in on April 15?

Based on BMI/body fat % etc. When you go in for a yearly check your premium or Medicare coverage would be set based on a formula. If you didn’t go it would be set when you did with penalty etc. For it to work many people would have to be left behind without benefits and some would die, and people like you would cry and say we all have to pay to save them.

It just wouldn’t work practically let alone morally.

Some people may not have an optimum BMI but still be healthy because of an active lifestyle; others may be a perfect weight, but still be sedentary or smoke like a chimney.  And if someone is overweight and low income because of lack of education, they will in effect be punished for that.  And all those fat people out there will fight that like the dickens.  We live in a society where people want the freedom of speech, the freedom of expression, and the freedom to eat fries.  Nah, it won’t work.

Better advertising and education wouldn’t hurt, but the fact is that society will always have to pick up the tab for some people who make bad choices.

All that was was a list of excuses…

 
 
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24 February 2019 13:27
 
GAD - 24 February 2019 10:05 AM
Jan_CAN - 24 February 2019 09:58 AM
GAD - 24 February 2019 09:41 AM
Jan_CAN - 24 February 2019 09:10 AM
GAD - 24 February 2019 08:56 AM
dazpetty - 24 February 2019 08:49 AM

They should tax the hell out of sugery crap. Those people are an economic burden to the system.

No they should tax obesity no matter how you achieve it.

How would that work ... a weigh-in on April 15?

Based on BMI/body fat % etc. When you go in for a yearly check your premium or Medicare coverage would be set based on a formula. If you didn’t go it would be set when you did with penalty etc. For it to work many people would have to be left behind without benefits and some would die, and people like you would cry and say we all have to pay to save them.

It just wouldn’t work practically let alone morally.

Some people may not have an optimum BMI but still be healthy because of an active lifestyle; others may be a perfect weight, but still be sedentary or smoke like a chimney.  And if someone is overweight and low income because of lack of education, they will in effect be punished for that.  And all those fat people out there will fight that like the dickens.  We live in a society where people want the freedom of speech, the freedom of expression, and the freedom to eat fries.  Nah, it won’t work.

Better advertising and education wouldn’t hurt, but the fact is that society will always have to pick up the tab for some people who make bad choices.

All that was was a list of excuses…

All we have to do is tweak the software in grocery-store cash registers.  Sugar and sugar-laced food and drink, causes a little ‘humiliation bell’ to ring, embarrassing you in front of other customers (it also rings if you don’t bring your own shopping bags).  It rings for all foods known to have poor nutritional value and cause obesity.  On your receipt you can see that each time the bell rang a tax was levied on that item.  As you shop, the price markers on the shelves for these ‘sickness/obesity-causing foods have a skull and crossbones logo on them and the well-known warning from the surgeon general.  WARNING - THE SURGEON GENERAL HAS DETERMINED THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BUY THIS PRODUCT ANYWAY AND BANKRUPT THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM.TO THE TUNE OF 25 TRILLION DOLLARS BY 2050.

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GAD - 23 February 2019 02:12 PM

Just like cigarettes, you can simply choose not to do it, no one forces you to, blaming it on big sugar etc is absolute bullshit to absolve people of any responsibility and convince them they are owed free money through lawsuits.

Yep, adults are responsible for their choices, but what about kids? Even if they’re lucky enough to be born to parents who care about their nutrition, they must still avoid being influenced by the Billions of dollars spent every year marketing sugar laden (and saturated fat laden) products to kids.

But if they aren’t lucky enough to be born to parents who care about their nutrition, it’s pretty much game over. The US has by far the highest childhood obestity rate in the world. Not to mention the adverse effects to their health as an adult, even if they manage to avoid childhood obesity.

 
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GAD - 23 February 2019 02:12 PM

Just like cigarettes, you can simply choose not to do it, no one forces you to, blaming it on big sugar etc is absolute bullshit to absolve people of any responsibility and convince them they are owed free money through lawsuits.

Yep, adults are responsible for their choices, but what about kids? Even if they’re lucky enough to be born to parents who care about their nutrition, they must still avoid being influenced by the Billions of dollars spent every year marketing sugar laden (and saturated fat laden) products to kids.

But if they aren’t lucky enough to be born to parents who care about their nutrition, it’s pretty much game over. The US has by far the highest childhood obestity rate in the world. Not to mention the adverse effects to their health as an adult, even if they manage to avoid childhood obesity.

Sure, but now you are trying to save poor kids from poor parents, if we could save poor kids from poor parents there wouldn’t be any poor parents and therefore poor children to save, but all you have to do is look around to see that that strategy failed miserably as there are more poor kids and poor parents then ever. It’s like the homeless, every single year they say it is worse then before and they need another 10 or 100 million on top the 10 or 100 million the year before and the year before that… This is the same mentality as any one who is non-white is not responsible for anything they do, it’s the fault of whitey, here we are just substituting sugar for whitey. This is a death spiral, at some point people have to be responsible for their own choices instead of sitting on their asses stuffing their faces with crap while they blame everyone else on social media for them not doing a fucking thing.

 
 
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25 February 2019 08:29
 
GAD - 24 February 2019 07:20 PM
proximacentauri - 24 February 2019 02:05 PM
GAD - 23 February 2019 02:12 PM

Just like cigarettes, you can simply choose not to do it, no one forces you to, blaming it on big sugar etc is absolute bullshit to absolve people of any responsibility and convince them they are owed free money through lawsuits.

Yep, adults are responsible for their choices, but what about kids? Even if they’re lucky enough to be born to parents who care about their nutrition, they must still avoid being influenced by the Billions of dollars spent every year marketing sugar laden (and saturated fat laden) products to kids.

But if they aren’t lucky enough to be born to parents who care about their nutrition, it’s pretty much game over. The US has by far the highest childhood obestity rate in the world. Not to mention the adverse effects to their health as an adult, even if they manage to avoid childhood obesity.

Sure, but now you are trying to save poor kids from poor parents, if we could save poor kids from poor parents there wouldn’t be any poor parents and therefore poor children to save, but all you have to do is look around to see that that strategy failed miserably as there are more poor kids and poor parents then ever. It’s like the homeless, every single year they say it is worse then before and they need another 10 or 100 million on top the 10 or 100 million the year before and the year before that… This is the same mentality as any one who is non-white is not responsible for anything they do, it’s the fault of whitey, here we are just substituting sugar for whitey. This is a death spiral, at some point people have to be responsible for their own choices instead of sitting on their asses stuffing their faces with crap while they blame everyone else on social media for them not doing a fucking thing.

Obesity, diabetes, and heart disease occurs across all socio economic groups. Government can help with prevention and education, but even a simple initiative by the last administration to improve the nutrition of kid’s school lunches was met with objections from right wingnut conservatives. Only in America does something like improving schoolkid nutrtion get politicized like it’s a Nazi plot. But to hell with child nutrition, food industry profits are more important.

The good news is the food industry has finally begun to make changes, not of their own volition, but because there are enough Americans now, from boomers to millennials, who are refusing to buy high sugar laden processed foods. This is the only way things will change, but change will occur slowly. Meanwhile, everyone will bear the societal cost of poor nutrition through higher healthcare costs, which will continue for decades to come.

 

 
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