Share your great ideas on how the U.S. might deal with the immigrant/refugee crisis at the southern border.

 
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04 April 2019 10:13
 

In 1845-49 the potato crop failed in Ireland and thousands of desperate people immigrated to the U.S. and other countries.  Many went to work building the new railroads across the U.S. - helping to tie the country together and make it an industrial powerhouse.  This was low-pay backbreaking work with harsh living conditions. 

Today, climate-change-drought is causing crops to fail in Central America.  Fungus is attacking coffee plants.  Thousands or millions of desperate people are moving north, trying to survive.  The U.S. market for drugs fuels gangs and crime.  Murder and extortion south of the border causes countless people to flee for their lives and seek asylum in the U.S.

One enterprise that would mitigate human-caused climate change is to generate electricity with wind and solar power instead of burning fossil fuels.  Immigrants could be trained to work in the production and maintenance of wind and solar power, just as Irish immigrants were trained to build railroads in 1845.  Immigrants from south of the border could help make the U.S. a leader in the generation of sustainable energy.  Why are we slamming the door in the face of desperate, hard-working people who could help us deal with looming climate disaster?

Do you have ideas on how to deal with the refugee crisis at the border?

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04 April 2019 10:47
 

1. massively increase staff in the embassies of the top origins countries to process asylum and visa requests quickly
2. pay and assist Mexico to build camps on their side of the border to take care of and process asylum seekers and visa requests
3. allow people with visas to leave and return the US for the duration of their visa
4. stiff monetary penalties and jail times for people employing illegal immigrants
5. favorable trade agreements with the migrant origin countries

 
 
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04 April 2019 12:56
 

1. Defeat Trump in 2020 so he will stop inciting his base;
2. Employ Congressman Will Hurd’s idea of a “smart wall”, relying on technology rather than a physical barrier;
3. Partner with Mexico and Central American countries to deal with the root of the problem - poverty and violence among the disadvantaged;
4. Pass immigration reform package that deals with the need for immigrant workers and allows an orderly processing of applicants; and
5. Legalize pot.

 
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05 April 2019 07:39
 

1. Stop considering brown-people to be lesser beings
2. Stop considering countries populated by brown people to be shit-hole countries
3. Realize that the past ~200+ years of unbalanced predatory colonialism are not going to function any longer and that a more equitable global economy is emerging.  Thus sweatshops and cheap foreign labour markets are diminishing.
4. Realize that poverty exists in part due to colonial legacy and corporate predation, and the correction of this paradigm is going to mean a new deal (perhaps not the green new deal) may be necessary to keep the lights on and the motor running.
5. Realize that automation is poised to eliminate many of the jobs people rely on right now for income and that as those jobs get twilighted those real people are going to have to continue to live - regardless of job availability.  We can choose how smooth that transition is.
6. Realize that poverty is NOT a divine mandate, and that wealth is NOT a sign of character and ethics.  (I’m looking at you, USA.)  Circumstance is 90% responsible for people’s situations - escpecially in a country where one unexpected family illness can lead to a) personal bankruptcy and unrecoverable debt and b) broad profits for medical insurance companies with questionable ethics.

 
 
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05 April 2019 10:57
 

The annual U.S. military budget is $610 billion.  Russia’s annual budget is $66 billion and China’s is $228 billion.  Suggestion:  Reduce U.S. military spending to the amount spent by Russia and China combined which is - $284 billion.  The $326 billion saved could be used to finance many of the ideas mentioned above. 

If the situation at the Mexican Border really is a security threat; a national emergency, an invasion - allocating $326 billion to deal with it and return prosperity, law and order to Central America is a bargain.  (Haven’t we spent trillions in Afghanistan?)

P.S.  -  I was thinking again about the Irish immigrants who came to the U.S. during the Irish potato famine 1845-49, mentioned in the OP.  Today we see images of refugees from Syria, North Africa and elsewhere drowning as their overcrowded rubber boats capsize or sink as they come within sight of Greek Islands, Italy or Spain.

During the potato famine Thoreau was vacationing in Cape Cod in 1849 when the decrepit old brig, the St. John, foundered on the rocks at Cohasset - the ‘huddled masses’ clinging to the wreck within sight of their promised land - lifeboats unable to reach them because of the storm.  https://www.historylecture.org/stjohn.html

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Cape_Cod_(1865)_Thoreau/The_Shipwreck

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05 April 2019 17:51
 

Immigrants seeking work and refugees seeking asylum are two different things. Each has to be treated differently.

Immigration reform:
1. Create a legal way for low-skilled workers to enter and work on a temporary basis.
2. Crack down on employers who hire people here illegally.
3. Criminalize transfer payments (entitlements and benefits paid for by tax dollars) to anyone here illegally.
4. Launch an outreach campaign to educate people in certain countries on the new policy.

Asylum reform:
1. Limit asylum to those applicants seeking political asylum from specific countries antagonistic to our interests, like dissidents from China or Iran.
2. Summarily reject all other applicants.
3. Stop letting applicants loose while they’re awaiting their hearings.
4. Launch an outreach campaign to educate people in certain countries, in order to dissuade those who don’t meet the new criteria.

 
 
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07 April 2019 13:31
 
Antisocialdarwinist - 05 April 2019 05:51 PM

Immigrants seeking work and refugees seeking asylum are two different things. Each has to be treated differently.

Immigration reform:
1. Create a legal way for low-skilled workers to enter and work on a temporary basis.
2. Crack down on employers who hire people here illegally.
3. Criminalize transfer payments (entitlements and benefits paid for by tax dollars) to anyone here illegally.
4. Launch an outreach campaign to educate people in certain countries on the new policy.

Asylum reform:
1. Limit asylum to those applicants seeking political asylum from specific countries antagonistic to our interests, like dissidents from China or Iran.
2. Summarily reject all other applicants.
3. Stop letting applicants loose while they’re awaiting their hearings.
4. Launch an outreach campaign to educate people in certain countries, in order to dissuade those who don’t meet the new criteria.

Practically every 6th grader in the world knows which countries have produced the most greenhouse gases since the beginning of the industrial revolution.  Now that these emissions are causing global warming, which in turn is causing millions of people to become climate-change refugees, are you saying the U.S. isn’t responsible for their problems?  “So your crops failed?  Sorry, that’s your problem.  Don’t come to our border expecting us to help you.”

https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/how-climate-change-is-fuelling-the-us-border-crisis?

https://ourworldindata.org/co2-and-other-greenhouse-gas-emissions  (scroll down to see world map - cumulative greenhouse gas emissions by country since 1800)

If you cause someone’s boat to sink - tough!  Let someone else rescue them!  Let them cling to the wreckage or drown!”

 
 
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08 April 2019 01:26
 

It’s pretty clear that plenty on the Right see their own boat sinking, and either expect Jesus to come and rescue them, or just quickly want to eat all the shrimp of the buffet and steal all the stuff from the other cabins while their occupants look for ways to save everyone.

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08 April 2019 11:17
 
Twissel - 08 April 2019 01:26 AM

It’s pretty clear that plenty on the Right see their own boat sinking, and either expect Jesus to come and rescue them, or just quickly want to eat all the shrimp of the buffet and steal all the stuff from the other cabins while their occupants look for ways to save everyone.

https://www.amazon.com/Storming-Wall-Migration-Homeland-Security/dp/0872867153  (scroll down to read reviews of ‘Storming the Wall - Climate Change, Migration and Homeland Security)

This book by Todd Miller makes it clear “that climate change science is wholly uncontroversial inside the military and security establishment, even high up in the Trump administration.  It’s widely accepted that the warming world will soon see many more refugees - 50 million, 250 million, a billion, nobody can say for sure - even if climate migrants can’t formally be called refugees under present international law.”  *

What do you think of a POTUS who ignores his military and security establishment, calling their findings and warnings a hoax?

(*highlighted quote from a review in the Feb. 7 London Review of Books)

 

 
 
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08 April 2019 11:58
 

Not surprising to me is how many fine ideas have been expressed in this thread.

What continues to baffle me is why this kind of thinking doesn’t appear to happen in DC?