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Why do humans in general believe blatant lies?

 
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10 June 2019 12:14
 

In this forum we’ve discussed why Trump supporters believe his blatant lies (lies that are easily shown to be lies).  We’ve also exchanged ideas on why many educated Republicans who know he is a chronic liar accept that fact and continue to support him.

We know that Trump got many of his techniques from ‘Madison Avenue’ and our entire culture is awash in misleading information and blatant lies from this sector.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/madison-avenue

Madison Avenue
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noun
a street in New York City that is a center of the advertising and public relations industries and that has become a symbol of their attitudes, methods, and practices.

People in general know that corpses don’t come back to life.  They know the condition of a human body, a human brain, that has been dead for 2 or 3 days.  Yet billions of Christians really do believe that Jesus came back to life after being stone-cold dead for several days.  Many of us were conditioned by parents to believe such lies since our early childhood.  (Easter eggs, brought to us by a bunny, represent the stone that was rolled away from the entrance to Jesus’ tomb, so that he could come out.)

In the 1950’s Pall Mall cigarettes went to Madison Avenue for help with their advertising and came out with TV and magazine ads claiming - ‘Pall Mall’s greater length filters the smoke on the way to your throat.’  Smokers like my parents were glad to hear his good news.

Taking cues from Madison Avenue, Trump won millions of votes by claiming that ‘global warming is a hoax perpetrated by China to put the U.S. at a disadvantage due to pollution controls.’

During the Vietnam War the Pentagon went to Madison Avenue to get help recruiting people to take part in that disaster.  https://www.ebay.com/itm/VIETNAM-WAR-1969-US-ARMY-RECRUITMENT-POSTER-11-x-8-1-2-VERY-RARE-NM/323801554643?hash=item4b64139ed3:g:vcIAAOxyhlJRddjv:sc:USPSFirstClass!98516!US!-1

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In your opinion, what are the most blatant lies that affect our lives and society today?


Definition of blatant:

1 : noisy especially in a vulgar or offensive manner : CLAMOROUS
2 : completely obvious, conspicuous, or obtrusive especially in a crass or offensive manner : BRAZEN
blatant disregard for the rules

 

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10 June 2019 12:35
 

Answer to OP: 1) Confirmation bias; or 2) political expediency.

 
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10 June 2019 13:21
 
unsmoked - 10 June 2019 12:14 PM

In this forum we’ve discussed why Trump supporters believe his blatant lies (lies that are easily shown to be lies).  We’ve also exchanged ideas on why many educated Republicans who know he is a chronic liar accept that fact and continue to support him.

We know that Trump got many of his techniques from ‘Madison Avenue’ and our entire culture is awash in misleading information and blatant lies from this sector.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/madison-avenue

Madison Avenue
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noun
a street in New York City that is a center of the advertising and public relations industries and that has become a symbol of their attitudes, methods, and practices.

People in general know that corpses don’t come back to life.  They know the condition of a human body, a human brain, that has been dead for 2 or 3 days.  Yet billions of Christians really do believe that Jesus came back to life after being stone-cold dead for several days.  Many of us were conditioned by parents to believe such lies since our early childhood.  (Easter eggs, brought to us by a bunny, represent the stone that was rolled away from the entrance to Jesus’ tomb, so that he could come out.)

In the 1950’s Pall Mall cigarettes went to Madison Avenue for help with their advertising and came out with TV and magazine ads claiming - ‘Pall Mall’s greater length filters the smoke on the way to your throat.’  Smokers like my parents were glad to hear his good news.

Taking cues from Madison Avenue, Trump won millions of votes by claiming that ‘global warming is a hoax perpetrated by China to put the U.S. at a disadvantage due to pollution controls.’

During the Vietnam War the Pentagon went to Madison Avenue to get help recruiting people to take part in that disaster.  https://www.ebay.com/itm/VIETNAM-WAR-1969-US-ARMY-RECRUITMENT-POSTER-11-x-8-1-2-VERY-RARE-NM/323801554643?hash=item4b64139ed3:g:vcIAAOxyhlJRddjv:sc:USPSFirstClass!98516!US!-1

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In your opinion, what are the most blatant lies that affect our lives and society today?


Definition of blatant:

1 : noisy especially in a vulgar or offensive manner : CLAMOROUS
2 : completely obvious, conspicuous, or obtrusive especially in a crass or offensive manner : BRAZEN
blatant disregard for the rules

 

“In your opinion, what are the most blatant lies that affect our lives and society today?”  You’re asking for opinions about what is truthful and what isn’t?

 
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10 June 2019 20:27
 

unsmoked:

In your opinion, what are the most blatant lies that affect our lives and society today?

- That “the rich” need all sorts of special breaks, and couldn’t possibly be asked to pay higher tax rates, lest they go elsewhere.

-That any initiative to reduce wealth and/or income inequality will lead to communism.

- That we need thousands of nuclear weapons to be safe.

- That we don’t need biodiversity to flourish, or even to survive.

- That subsidies for profitable industries are a good idea.

- That because climate change predictions haven’t been perfect, we don’t have to worry about climate change.

- That there’s no problem indoctrinating kids with immoral, bronze-age, religious bullshite.

 
 
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10 June 2019 22:35
 

False positives can lead to acceptance of untruths.
Enough of those, and our cognition forms a habitual pattern.
Then it becomes very difficult to break those habitual patterns.
Studies have shown that people with a habit for accepting conspiracy theories are much more likely to take-on a new conspiracy than those who do not follow this cognitive pattern.

 
 
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11 June 2019 02:05
 

Humans, as storytelling animals, are not wrong that in the short to medium term, there can be a significant advantage to operating under obviously false assumptions.
For many projects, unity is more important than accuracy.

 
 
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11 June 2019 10:32
 

America is the land of the Free.

The reality is that we are the most monitored society in all of history. Not only does the NSA track our every phone call and email, corporations — and Google in particular — use our cell phones to track our every movement. If you have a cell phone, even if it’s turned off, someone will still be tracking you.

Certain brands of television sets send data back to their manufacturers on your physical movements within the room in addition to what you watch.

Traffic cameras, security cameras, ATM cameras, which certainly can have positive safety uses, can also be used to track anyone’s movements.

Third parties collect data on of every website you visit, every click of your mouse, and how long you linger on each page, then sell this information to giant databases which keep files on you.

And our course, there’s satellite imagery. Twenty years ago they could read a license plate from 150 miles up in space. Now, with the latest leaps in technology, these satellites can probably count every hair on your head.

Is this freedom?

 
 
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11 June 2019 10:58
 

The US stopped being the ‘land of the free’ a long time ago…

 
 
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11 June 2019 11:03
 

I’d say that the relationship between being “surveilled” and being “free” is complex. I don’t think it’s as easy as saying they are mutually exclusive. (To be clear, I completely agree that we live in a surveillance state.)

 
 
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11 June 2019 11:20
 

We are free to be deceived that we are free.  You are free to choose to be blissfully ignorant of your bondage.

 
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EN - 11 June 2019 11:20 AM

We are free to be deceived that we are free.  You are free to choose to be blissfully ignorant of your bondage.

On the off chance that this post was - to any degree - directed at me:

I already agreed that we live in a surveillance state. I understand the power of indoctrination. I understand the power of marketing. I understand that google and others manipulate us. And so on.

But we can resist those things. I don’t do twitter or facebook or social media in general. We don’t have a TV. I don’t use google. Of course I cannot claim to be totally free from corporate manipulation, but it’s not a black and white classification.

 
 
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icehorse - 10 June 2019 08:27 PM

unsmoked:

In your opinion, what are the most blatant lies that affect our lives and society today?

- That “the rich” need all sorts of special breaks, and couldn’t possibly be asked to pay higher tax rates, lest they go elsewhere.

-That any initiative to reduce wealth and/or income inequality will lead to communism.

- That we need thousands of nuclear weapons to be safe.

- That we don’t need biodiversity to flourish, or even to survive.

- That subsidies for profitable industries are a good idea.

- That because climate change predictions haven’t been perfect, we don’t have to worry about climate change.

- That there’s no problem indoctrinating kids with immoral, bronze-age, religious bullshite.

-  That liars should be allowed to censor evidence before such evidence is released to the public. 

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/424871-exclusive-trump-team-should-be-allowed-to-correct-final-mueller

-  Misleading the public with lies is for the common good.  eg. - If Americans think climate change is a hoax, it will help make America Great Again because U.S. industry won’t be hampered with expensive pollution controls.  (lie about the cost of flooded low-lying cities in the near future)

Another case of lying to the public -  https://time.com/4839971/trump-media-press-enemy-vietnam-war/

 
 
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icehorse - 11 June 2019 11:49 AM
EN - 11 June 2019 11:20 AM

We are free to be deceived that we are free.  You are free to choose to be blissfully ignorant of your bondage.

On the off chance that this post was - to any degree - directed at me:

I already agreed that we live in a surveillance state. I understand the power of indoctrination. I understand the power of marketing. I understand that google and others manipulate us. And so on.

But we can resist those things. I don’t do twitter or facebook or social media in general. We don’t have a TV. I don’t use google. Of course I cannot claim to be totally free from corporate manipulation, but it’s not a black and white classification.

It was directed at no one.  Just my thoughts about the subject.

 
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12 June 2019 13:54
 

Why do humans in general believe blatant lies?

Consider the lies of history books and holy books that are taught to us as truths by parents and teachers.

For example, in the U.S. we are taught that the Founding Fathers fought for and established a free country.  In fact they established a country in which 20% of the population were slaves - about 500,000 in a population of 2.5 million.. (20% of today’s U.S. population would be 70 million).  If a slave ran away, trying to reach freedom in Canada, they were arrested if caught and returned to their owners.  Captured slaves were often whipped, or worse, as an example to other slaves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugitive_Slave_Act_of_1850

The Fugitive Slave Act or Fugitive Slave Law was passed by the United States Congress on September 18, 1850, as part of the Compromise of 1850 between Southern slave-holding interests and Northern Free-Soilers.

The Act was one of the most controversial elements of the 1850 compromise and heightened Northern fears of a “slave power conspiracy”. It required that all escaped slaves, upon capture, be returned to their masters and that officials and citizens of free states had to cooperate. Abolitionists nicknamed it the “Bloodhound Law”, for the dogs that were used to track down runaway slaves.

Until machines were invented to replace slaves, the U.S. economy depended on slave labor to produce profitable exports like cotton and tobacco.  It was 1920 before a cotton-picking machine was invented.

Q:  Is it a lie if the liar thinks he is telling the truth?  Do our history teachers not know that after the American Revolution 20% of the U.S. population were enslaved?  Do they not know that Washington and Jefferson and other plantation owners couldn’t profitably sell cotton to England without slave labor?

 

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unsmoked - 10 June 2019 12:14 PM

In your opinion, what are the most blatant lies that affect our lives and society today?

There are so many, but here’s one old classic and four of late for consideration…

1. “I am the way the truth and the life.” -JC

2. “The Art of the Deal is my 2nd favorite book, you know what my first is? The Bible.” -DT

3. “There were good people on both sides. Both sides.” -DT

4.“The press is doing everything within their power to fight the magnificence of the phrase, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! They can’t stand the fact that this Administration has done more than virtually any other Administration in its first 2yrs. They are truly the ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE!” -DT

5. “The truth is that the centrist Democratic Party is dead. The new Democrats are radical socialists who want to model America’s economy after Venezuela. If Democrats win control of Congress this November, we will come dangerously closer to socialism in America. Government-run health care is just the beginning,” . -DT

 
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13 June 2019 12:02
 

Choosing Which Lies to Inspire Your Church Practices

Mark 16:14-18

Later Jesus appeared to the 11 disciples as they were eating. He spoke firmly to them because they had no faith. They would not believe those who had seen him after he rose from the dead.

He said to them, “Go into all the world. Preach the good news to everyone.  Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who does not believe will be punished.  Here are the miraculous signs that those who believe will do. In my name they will drive out demons. They will speak in languages they had not known before.  They will pick up snakes with their hands. And when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all. They will place their hands on sick people. And the people will get well.”

 

(That was Jesus instructing us after being dead for 3 days).

Can you imagine being born into one of those congregations in 2019 U.S.?  - every Sunday going with your parents to handle poisonous snakes, babble in ‘tongues’, drink poison and heal the infirm like Benny Hinn?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVG1x-rh6FE

Like Benny Hinn, Donald Trump is never dull.  63 million supporters?

 
 
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