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Why don’t Republicans want to see Trump’s tax returns?

 
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30 July 2019 11:32
 

Why don’t Republicans want to see Trump’s tax returns?

Just posted, July 30 -  https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-07-30/trump-tax-returns-california-ballot-gavin-newsom-law

By JOHN MYERS SACRAMENTO BUREAU CHIEF
JULY 30, 2019 10:33 AM
SACRAMENTO —  President Trump will be ineligible for California’s primary ballot next year unless he discloses his tax returns under a state law that immediately took effect Tuesday, an unprecedented mandate that is almost certain to spark a high-profile court fight and might encourage other states to adopt their own unconventional rules for presidential candidates.
The law, signed by Gov. Gavin Newsom on his final day to take action and passed on a strict party-line vote in the Legislature, requires all presidential candidates to submit five years of income tax filings. They must do so by late November in order to secure a spot on California’s presidential primary ballot in March. State elections officials will post the financial documents online, although certain private information must first be redacted.

Read more in article, and, por favor, post your own answer to topic question.

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30 July 2019 21:42
 

Just in the abstract, this is a really interesting case:
since this involves the Primaries, not the general election, it should be absolutely none of the Supreme Court’s business what California is doing.
On the other hand, this could set some very bad precedent.

Traditionally, Republicans should be on the side of State’s Rights - but since the state is California, they won’t be.

 
 
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30 July 2019 23:34
 

The Trump movement isn’t Republican. It has no ideology that I can discern. They don’t want his tax returns released. They don’t want the Mueller report released. They won’t acknowledge the nature of his behavior. They will exclaim Fake News to anything that isn’t flattering. Even the mere repetition of words he has spoken himself. It’s an identity cult. Party affiliation is arbitrary. He has them hypnotized. When other parties are implicated as he is implicated they call it out immediately. If other parties speak in the offensive way he speaks they object immediately. They grasp the enfolded principles of a social contract and hold outsiders responsible. He is above all scrutiny. He has the gold and makes the rules. Of course they don’t want tax records released. Nothing with the potential to puncture the illusion can be allowed.

 
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Anything to piss off the Republicans is OK with me.  The GOP representation in the capital is remarkably weak, and has no power in state government, so their only hope is the courts.

 
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Brick Bungalow - 30 July 2019 11:34 PM

The Trump movement isn’t Republican. It has no ideology that I can discern. They don’t want his tax returns released. They don’t want the Mueller report released. They won’t acknowledge the nature of his behavior. They will exclaim Fake News to anything that isn’t flattering. Even the mere repetition of words he has spoken himself. It’s an identity cult. Party affiliation is arbitrary. He has them hypnotized. When other parties are implicated as he is implicated they call it out immediately. If other parties speak in the offensive way he speaks they object immediately. They grasp the enfolded principles of a social contract and hold outsiders responsible. He is above all scrutiny. He has the gold and makes the rules. Of course they don’t want tax records released. Nothing with the potential to puncture the illusion can be allowed.

Speaking of puncturing the illusion:

When he tweets about rat infested neighborhoods in Baltimore, does he know that his son-in-law and White House advisor is a slumlord there?

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/jared-kushner-baltimore-properties

“While Donald Trump spent the weekend lobbing racist attacks at Congressman Elijah Cummings for representing a “disgusting, rat and rodent infested” Baltimore district where “no human being would want to live,” perhaps he should have taken the matter up with his son-in-law Jared Kushner, a local slumlord whose Baltimore properties are reportedly filled with vermin, maggots, and mold.

According to the Washington Post, apartments owned by Kushner Cos., where Kushner served as CEO until joining the White House, were responsible for more than 200 code violations in 2017 alone. Repairs were apparently “made only after the county threatened fines, local officials said, and even after warnings, violations on nine properties were not addressed, resulting in monetary sanctions.” That same year the New York Times and ProPublica found that tenants of the Kushner properties had reported maggots, mold problems, and a mouse infestation. In the Kushner Cos.’ Essex Park complex, for example, truck driver Marquita Parmely said the mouse infestation was so bad that her 12-year-old daughter found one in her bed, while her two-year-old’s asthma was aggravated by allergens in mice droppings. A private investigator who looked into Kushner’s property-management company called the managers “slumlords,” a description that’s also been applied to the Kushners’ management of New York City properties. (Christine Taylor, a spokeswoman for the Kushner firm, said at the time that the firm was in compliance with all state and local laws, which then Baltimore County executive Kevin Kamenetz remarked was “a stretch of truth.”)

 
 
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Brick Bungalow - 30 July 2019 11:34 PM

The Trump movement isn’t Republican. It has no ideology that I can discern. They don’t want his tax returns released. They don’t want the Mueller report released. They won’t acknowledge the nature of his behavior. They will exclaim Fake News to anything that isn’t flattering. Even the mere repetition of words he has spoken himself. It’s an identity cult. Party affiliation is arbitrary. He has them hypnotized. When other parties are implicated as he is implicated they call it out immediately. If other parties speak in the offensive way he speaks they object immediately. They grasp the enfolded principles of a social contract and hold outsiders responsible. He is above all scrutiny. He has the gold and makes the rules. Of course they don’t want tax records released. Nothing with the potential to puncture the illusion can be allowed.

The GOP is motivated totally by political power.  We need term limits to prevent lifelong politicians.

 
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31 July 2019 13:46
 

all of the responses so far in this thread give me some hope. thanks.

 
 
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04 August 2019 08:16
 

Revelation of his tax documents will also reveal that he’s a tax dodger and could be guilty of tax fraud.

 
 
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Jefe - 04 August 2019 08:16 AM

Revelation of his tax documents will also reveal that he’s a tax dodger and could be guilty of tax fraud.

Exactly.  What other reason could they have?

Quote:

“P.T. Barnum believed the public was willing - even eager - to be conned, provided there was entertainment in the process.”

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/08/05/what-p-t-barnum-understood-about-america

Books
August 5 & 12, 2019 Issue
What P. T. Barnum Understood About America
The “Prince of Humbugs” was a liar, a racist, and an entertainer who would do anything for a crowd. He even considered running for President.

By Elizabeth Kolbert - July 29, 2019 (read article at this link)

 
 
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Jefe - 04 August 2019 08:16 AM

Revelation of his tax documents will also reveal that he’s a tax dodger and could be guilty of tax fraud.

Trump admitted to being a tax dodger and still got elected.

 
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unsmoked - 30 July 2019 11:32 AM

Why don’t Republicans want to see Trump’s tax returns?

Because they already know he’s bullshitting about how rich he is. And they don’t care.

 
 
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unsmoked - 30 July 2019 11:32 AM

Why don’t Republicans want to see Trump’s tax returns?

Because they already know he’s bullshitting about how rich he is. And they don’t care.

But they do care.  They don’t want him exposed as a tax dodger.  They don’t want themselves exposed as a party that supports and endorses tax cheaters.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/taxevasion.asp

 
 
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unsmoked - 05 August 2019 10:47 AM
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unsmoked - 30 July 2019 11:32 AM

Why don’t Republicans want to see Trump’s tax returns?

Because they already know he’s bullshitting about how rich he is. And they don’t care.

But they do care.  They don’t want him exposed as a tax dodger.  They don’t want themselves exposed as a party that supports and endorses tax cheaters.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/taxevasion.asp

Wish in one hand, shit in the other; see which one fills up first. The likelihood that Trump will be found to have committed tax evasion is pretty small, isn’t it, given the degree of scrutiny to which his tax returns have undoubtedly been subjected by the IRS? Far more likely, in my opinion, that he’ll be found to have taken advantage of every legal “loophole” available to him. Which will leave his detractors wringing their hands in feigned outrage and his supporters all the more convinced that he’s some kind of genius.

But wouldn’t it be ironic if he was instead found to have done a sloppy job on his taxes and paid more than he was legally required to? That would probably be more damaging to him than the aforementioned scenario.

 
 
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Antisocialdarwinist - 12 August 2019 04:57 PM
unsmoked - 05 August 2019 10:47 AM
Antisocialdarwinist - 04 August 2019 04:38 PM
unsmoked - 30 July 2019 11:32 AM

Why don’t Republicans want to see Trump’s tax returns?

Because they already know he’s bullshitting about how rich he is. And they don’t care.

But they do care.  They don’t want him exposed as a tax dodger.  They don’t want themselves exposed as a party that supports and endorses tax cheaters.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/taxevasion.asp

Wish in one hand, shit in the other; see which one fills up first. The likelihood that Trump will be found to have committed tax evasion is pretty small, isn’t it, given the degree of scrutiny to which his tax returns have undoubtedly been subjected by the IRS? Far more likely, in my opinion, that he’ll be found to have taken advantage of every legal “loophole” available to him. Which will leave his detractors wringing their hands in feigned outrage and his supporters all the more convinced that he’s some kind of genius.

But wouldn’t it be ironic if he was instead found to have done a sloppy job on his taxes and paid more than he was legally required to? That would probably be more damaging to him than the aforementioned scenario.

My guess is that, among all the lies Trump has told over the years, he feels shame about only one—that he’s not actually a billionaire. He’s struggling to prevent that from going public.

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nonverbal - 13 August 2019 07:01 AM
Antisocialdarwinist - 12 August 2019 04:57 PM
unsmoked - 05 August 2019 10:47 AM
Antisocialdarwinist - 04 August 2019 04:38 PM
unsmoked - 30 July 2019 11:32 AM

Why don’t Republicans want to see Trump’s tax returns?

Because they already know he’s bullshitting about how rich he is. And they don’t care.

But they do care.  They don’t want him exposed as a tax dodger.  They don’t want themselves exposed as a party that supports and endorses tax cheaters.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/taxevasion.asp

Wish in one hand, shit in the other; see which one fills up first. The likelihood that Trump will be found to have committed tax evasion is pretty small, isn’t it, given the degree of scrutiny to which his tax returns have undoubtedly been subjected by the IRS? Far more likely, in my opinion, that he’ll be found to have taken advantage of every legal “loophole” available to him. Which will leave his detractors wringing their hands in feigned outrage and his supporters all the more convinced that he’s some kind of genius.

But wouldn’t it be ironic if he was instead found to have done a sloppy job on his taxes and paid more than he was legally required to? That would probably be more damaging to him than the aforementioned scenario.

My guess is that, among all the lies Trump has told over the years, he feels shame about only one—that he’s not actually a billionaire. He’s struggling to prevent that from going public.

Bingo. But as I say, no one believes it anyway, not even his supporters.

 
 
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Antisocialdarwinist - 13 August 2019 08:35 AM
nonverbal - 13 August 2019 07:01 AM
Antisocialdarwinist - 12 August 2019 04:57 PM
unsmoked - 05 August 2019 10:47 AM
Antisocialdarwinist - 04 August 2019 04:38 PM
unsmoked - 30 July 2019 11:32 AM

Why don’t Republicans want to see Trump’s tax returns?

Because they already know he’s bullshitting about how rich he is. And they don’t care.

But they do care.  They don’t want him exposed as a tax dodger.  They don’t want themselves exposed as a party that supports and endorses tax cheaters.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/taxevasion.asp

Wish in one hand, shit in the other; see which one fills up first. The likelihood that Trump will be found to have committed tax evasion is pretty small, isn’t it, given the degree of scrutiny to which his tax returns have undoubtedly been subjected by the IRS? Far more likely, in my opinion, that he’ll be found to have taken advantage of every legal “loophole” available to him. Which will leave his detractors wringing their hands in feigned outrage and his supporters all the more convinced that he’s some kind of genius.

But wouldn’t it be ironic if he was instead found to have done a sloppy job on his taxes and paid more than he was legally required to? That would probably be more damaging to him than the aforementioned scenario.

My guess is that, among all the lies Trump has told over the years, he feels shame about only one—that he’s not actually a billionaire. He’s struggling to prevent that from going public.

Bingo. But as I say, no one believes it anyway, not even his supporters.

Yesterday on the news a reporter talked to ordinary people attending the Iowa State Fair.  One man, a Trump supporter, said, “He’s just a guy like me, that’s why I voted for him.  He’s not a politician.” 

I suppose a guy like me means someone who resents taxes and looks for every possible way to evade them.

evade - to escape from by trickery or cleverness

(‘A guy like me’ probably also means someone who wants to cut down the last refuge of the spotted owl and put in a casino; open up the Alaska Wildlife Refuge for oil drilling etc.) 

But, back to the OP:  Why aren’t Republicans pressing to see his tax returns?  Not helpful for his 2020 campaign?

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