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03 August 2019 17:57
 

Out in the West Texas town of El Paso, a horrible, horrible thing happened.  Latest is 20 people dead. Suspect may be a white nationalist.  Weapon appears to be an AK 47.  Some were Mexican nationals shopping in the Walmart. This was sales tax free weekend - an annual event in Texas before school starts.  Evil, evil, evil.  Shooter was from Dallas.

 
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03 August 2019 18:46
 

You live out around there, don’t you?  I don’t know if some gun control measures would help, but it needs to be done.  Have to try something.

 
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03 August 2019 19:55
 

I think it’s time to call these occurrences “domestic terrorism” and to treat them the way we would if a Muslim extremist from Al-Qaeda had done it.

 
 
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04 August 2019 02:53
 

Yes, I live in Texas. This was a hate crime and terroristic act.  I am in favor of an immediate ban on the sale and acquisition of assault weapons.  They serve no purpose other than to massacre people .

 
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04 August 2019 02:58
 

Now I read that 9 were killed in Dayton.  Insanity.

 
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04 August 2019 07:10
 

It’s also important to note that the shooters in Gilroy and El Paso both identified as white nationalists and were motivated to ‘stop the invasion’. I don’t think we can or should consider these events in isolation of the national dialogue surrounding immigration.

 
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Brick Bungalow - 04 August 2019 07:10 AM

It’s also important to note that the shooters in Gilroy and El Paso both identified as white nationalists and were motivated to ‘stop the invasion’. I don’t think we can or should consider these events in isolation of the national dialogue surrounding immigration.

If you had read his manifesto, you would be more accurate to say El Paso Terrorist Is a Hardcore Progressive and White Nationalist: Wants Universal Income And Universal Healthcare. 

From the manifesto ...

“In the near future, America will have to initiate a basic universal income to prevent widespread poverty and civil unrest as people lose their jobs (to automation). Joblessness is in itself a source of civil unrest. The less dependents on a government welfare system, the lower the unemployment rate, the better. Achieving ambitious social projects like universal healthcare and UBI would become far more likely to succeed if tens of millions of defendants are removed.”

“The decimation of our environment is creating a massive burden for future generations. Corporations are heading the destruction of our environment by shamelessly overharvesting resources.” 

“I am against race mixing because it destroys genetic diversity and creates identity problems….But the idea of deporting or murdering all non-white Americans is horrific. Many have been here as long as the whites, and have done as much to build our country. The best solution to this for now would be to divide America int a confederacy of territories with at least 1 territory for each race.”

This is not to say he’s a Democrat or a Republican, but he is without question a progressive. He is a PROGRESSIVE white nationalist – what was once defined as a “Nazi.” He’s a white nationalist socialist, and he throws progressive history right in everyone’s faces.

 

 
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04 August 2019 09:07
 

These are just fucked up people who want to kill other people and looking for an excuse as evidenced by their crimes which could never achieve their claimed agenda or the agenda put on them by other people wanting to use them for their own agenda. Don’t give them credit or fame, kill them, cremate them, and flush their ashes down the toilet and erase their names from history.

 
 
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04 August 2019 09:39
 
DEGENERATEON - 03 August 2019 06:46 PM

You live out around there, don’t you?  I don’t know if some gun control measures would help, but it needs to be done.  Have to try something.

The data is pretty clear. If you reduce the number of available guns you reduce violence. The counter arguments about ‘bad guys with guns’ are contrary to all evidence and logic. Armed civilians do not deter or prevent mass shootings. The shootings are perpetrated with legally acquired weapons. The industry thrives on the paranoid faction of the culture who runs out and buys guns on the very day these attacks occur.

We absolutely could reduce gun violence. We neglect to do so.

 
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04 August 2019 10:17
 

Australia is a model for action.

 
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04 August 2019 11:06
 
EN - 04 August 2019 10:17 AM

Australia is a model for action.

And New Zealand

 

 
 
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04 August 2019 13:58
 

Both Ohio Shooter and the El Paso Shooter are Registered Democrats.

In the case of the El Paso shooter, his manifesto shows that he wanted;

a- Universal Income and
b- Universal Healthcare. 

He saw the illegals a threat to his “entitlements”.

He was a nutcase who had no empathy for innocent human life. But his inability to reason not unlike the nut cases who claim to be to “Antifa” without realizing that they themselves are the “fa” in “Antifa”... as they attack the people or police. Likewise, it is not too difficult to observe the same unreason in people try and link the actions of this socialist nut case from the left with law abiding gun owners as fast as Pavlovian Response.

My response to these mass shootings has never been “if we had less guns”. People find other ways of killing i.e. using bombs or other methods… as we have seen elsewhere.

More relevant point is how is it that these young people are so detached? Unconcerned about human life. Undisturbed about innocents being killing? Or just killing indiscriminately.  What are the causes? Are we headed for more of the same? Can we restore that societal human trait where people care about the innocent? 

Obama was no more responsible for the 16 mass shootings than Trump is. The people who pulled the triggers are responsible. The question is how and why they have come to that point of total indifference to any human life. What contributes to it?

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Celal - 04 August 2019 01:58 PM

Both Ohio Shooter and the El Paso Shooter are Registered Democrats.

In the case of the El Paso shooter, his manifesto shows that he wanted;

a- Universal Income and
b- Universal Healthcare. 

He saw the illegals a threat to his “entitlements”.

He was a nutcase who had no empathy for innocent human life. But his inability to reason not unlike the nut cases who claim to be to “Antifa” without realizing that they themselves are the “fa” in “Antifa”... as they attack the people or police. Likewise, it is not too difficult to observe the same unreason in people try and link the actions of this socialist nut case from the left with law abiding gun owners as fast as Pavlovian Response.

My response to these mass shootings has never been “if we had less guns”. People find other ways of killing i.e. using bombs or other methods… as we have seen elsewhere.

More relevant point is how is it that these young people are so detached? Unconcerned about human life. Undisturbed about innocents being killing? Or just killing indiscriminately.  What are the causes? Are we headed for more of the same? Can we restore that societal human trait where people care about the innocent? 

Obama was no more responsible for the 16 mass shootings than Trump is. The people who pulled the triggers are responsible. The question is how and why they have come to that point of total indifference to any human life. What contributes to it?

Regardless of the nonsensical politics they adopt or twist, it must be blind hatred of ‘the other’, whoever they’ve managed to dehumanize in their minds to use as scapegoats for their own failures or shortcomings.  Blatant racism breeds and feeds this hatred, and easy access to weapons provides the means.

 
 
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04 August 2019 16:27
 
GAD - 04 August 2019 09:07 AM

These are just fucked up people who want to kill other people and looking for an excuse as evidenced by their crimes which could never achieve their claimed agenda or the agenda put on them by other people wanting to use them for their own agenda. Don’t give them credit or fame, kill them, cremate them, and flush their ashes down the toilet and erase their names from history.

Yep. Attributing their actions to a political agenda on either end of the spectrum is silly. They’re rabid dogs that need to be put down on the spot.

 
 
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04 August 2019 16:33
 
Jan_CAN - 04 August 2019 11:06 AM
EN - 04 August 2019 10:17 AM

Australia is a model for action.

And New Zealand

Not so fast: Noncompliance Kneecaps New Zealand’s Gun Control Scheme

Once again, responding to a horrendous crime by inflicting knee-jerk, authoritarian restrictions on innocent people proves to be an ineffective means of convincing people to obey. Specifically, New Zealand’s government—which also stepped up censorship and domestic surveillance after bloody attacks on two Christchurch mosques earlier this year—is running into stiff resistance to new gun rules from firearms owners who are slow to surrender now-prohibited weapons and will probably never turn them in.

Officials should have seen it coming.

“Police are anticipating a number of people with banned firearms in their possession won’t surrender them,” Stuff reported at the end of May, based on internal government documents.

As of last week, only around 700 weapons had been turned over. There are an estimated 1.5 million guns—with an unknown number subject to the new prohibition on semiautomatic firearms—in the country overall.

So, what should they do now? Send the storm troopers in to people’s houses to take their guns by force? The cure is worse than the disease.

 
 
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