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08 August 2019 12:17
 
unsmoked - 07 August 2019 11:30 AM

Are these the good years, when all we have to worry about are machine guns?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/20181210_National-Strategy-for-Countering-WMD-Terrorism.pdf

Several terrorist groups have made clear their desire to obtain WMD and use them against innocent people. Already we have seen ISIS use chemical weapons on Middle Eastern battlefields, and
there is little doubt they, and others like them, would gladly deploy WMD against the United States
if they could. To date, we have been spared such attacks because of the extraordinary efforts of
our military personnel, intelligence services, and law enforcement organizations. As the threat of
WMD terrorism continues to evolve, however, our defenses against it must evolve as well.
In particular, the spread of technologies that can be used for either peaceful or malicious purposes may give terrorists access to weapons that were once limited to a small handful of countries. While we harness science to generate energy and spread prosperity, terrorists would happily
deploy technology to sow death and destruction around the world. One of the great challenges of
our age is to place WMD and associated materials and expertise as far beyond the reach of these
madmen as possible.

“One of the great challenges of our age is to place WMD and associated materials and expertise as far beyond the reach of these
madmen as possible.”

But not machine guns, is that it?  Machine guns are toys for gun lovers, not weapons of mass destruction?  We can’t put machine guns beyond the reach of domestic terrorists because . . . machine guns aren’t weapons of mass destruction?

 

 
 
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08 August 2019 21:22
 

Here’s the real question:  does it matter what reason someone gives for why they commit such a horrible atrocity?

If your answer is yes, explain why it matters.

 
 
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09 August 2019 10:29
 
Quadrewple - 08 August 2019 09:22 PM

Here’s the real question:  does it matter what reason someone gives for why they commit such a horrible atrocity?

If your answer is yes, explain why it matters.

Yes.
It matters because if we can understand the ‘why’ we can work to mitigate or eliminate the factors that lead to that person committing the horrible atrocity.  The ‘gubmint’ has openly declared it is not interested in finding the facts behind these assaults by offering only ‘thoughts and prayers’ in response to them. (And closing off active study.)  If they (the gub’mint) were serious about wanting to reduce the violence, they wouldn’t simply offer meaningless platitudes (that consequently make them ‘seem’ virtuous to their constituents while doing absolutely nothing about the issue), but they would take action, do research, find the causation behind the hate-driven violence (or fame-seeking violence) or whatever the underlying cause(s) are and work toward reduction of those effects.

But they don’t really care.  They (the gub’mint) just want folks to think they care, thus the platitudes, delaying rhetoric, and follow-up inaction on their part.

We know the GOP can take action on matters that are important to them.  We’ve seen it in the gerrymandering and the women’s health issues embraced by their constituents and acted upon with long-term focus and dedication.  But gun violence research and policy just isn’t on their active radar.  And likely won’t be so long as politicians have their tongues up the arses of the NRA Lobbyists.

 
 
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23 August 2019 13:02
 

Background Checks

Q:  If Trump went to buy an AR-15 with a twin-drum magazine that accepts 100 rounds, and he told the dealer that he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and get away with it, would he still be able to buy the gun?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTACH1eVIaA

 
 
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23 August 2019 14:37
 
unsmoked - 23 August 2019 01:02 PM

Background Checks

Q:  If Trump went to buy an AR-15 with a twin-drum magazine that accepts 100 rounds, and he told the dealer that he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and get away with it, would he still be able to buy the gun?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTACH1eVIaA

Yes, because he is the Chosen One, the Messiah, the King of Israel.  He gets what he wants.

 
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24 August 2019 06:14
 
unsmoked - 23 August 2019 01:02 PM

Background Checks

Q:  If Trump went to buy an AR-15 with a twin-drum magazine that accepts 100 rounds, and he told the dealer that he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and get away with it, would he still be able to buy the gun?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTACH1eVIaA

Along those lines, there is the rock musician darling of the right, Ted Nugent. Remember this?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy8RIiTyhMI

How is that kind of rhetoric not extremely worrisome?

Worse, Sean Hannity refused to disavow Nugent’s slurs. Hannity aired the clip on his show and when asked by Democratic strategist Bob Beckel if he was “prepared to disavow this lowlife” (referring to Nugent), Hannity responded: “No, I like Ted Nugent. He’s a friend of mine.”
https://www.mediamatters.org/sean-hannity/hannity-refused-disavow-ted-nugents-slurs-against-obama-and-clinton?redirect_source=/research/2007/08/27/hannity-refused-to-disavow-ted-nugents-slurs-ag/139687


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[ Edited: 24 August 2019 06:17 by MrRon]
 
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24 August 2019 11:02
 
MrRon - 24 August 2019 06:14 AM
unsmoked - 23 August 2019 01:02 PM

Background Checks

Q:  If Trump went to buy an AR-15 with a twin-drum magazine that accepts 100 rounds, and he told the dealer that he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and get away with it, would he still be able to buy the gun?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTACH1eVIaA

Along those lines, there is the rock musician darling of the right, Ted Nugent. Remember this?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy8RIiTyhMI

How is that kind of rhetoric not extremely worrisome?

Worse, Sean Hannity refused to disavow Nugent’s slurs. Hannity aired the clip on his show and when asked by Democratic strategist Bob Beckel if he was “prepared to disavow this lowlife” (referring to Nugent), Hannity responded: “No, I like Ted Nugent. He’s a friend of mine.”
https://www.mediamatters.org/sean-hannity/hannity-refused-disavow-ted-nugents-slurs-against-obama-and-clinton?redirect_source=/research/2007/08/27/hannity-refused-to-disavow-ted-nugents-slurs-ag/139687 

Ron

When Trump tells his supporters about the ‘enemies of the people’, knowing there are individuals in the crowd who are itching to use their AR-15’s . . . is this different from showing an attack dog a piece of clothing and saying, “Go get ‘im!”

 
 
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31 August 2019 15:37
 

Now there are reports of an active shooter(s) in the Midland-Odessa area of Texas (Permian Basin oil rich area out west).  Right now it’s one dead and 10 injured.  New twist - he/they are driving around shooting.  Humans can be very creative in finding ways to harm each other.  Aren’t we great!!

 
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01 September 2019 23:02
 

If guns are not the problem, but people are, then why do we give people guns?

And where were the good guys with guns, i.e. Joe Gun Rack or Militia Mike to stop the shooter?  Why is it almost always the police stopping bad guys?

 
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02 September 2019 06:43
 
Skipshot - 01 September 2019 11:02 PM

If guns are not the problem, but people are, then why do we give people guns?

And where were the good guys with guns, i.e. Joe Gun Rack or Militia Mike to stop the shooter?  Why is it almost always the police stopping bad guys?

This idea that a good guy with a gun will stop a bad guy with a gun actually doesn’t happen very often. It did happen in the church shooting a few years ago, but that was a very stationary event - one location.  If the killer moves around a bit as he did in Odessa, he keeps surprising people, and nobody is ever prepared.  Plus, if you actually carried an automatic weapon, the killer would see it and either go somewhere else or shoot you first.  There are many of those guns in Texas, but you never see anyone carrying them in public, so no one is prepared.  It’s really an unrealistic way of stopping these events.

 
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02 September 2019 11:33
 
EN - 02 September 2019 06:43 AM
Skipshot - 01 September 2019 11:02 PM

If guns are not the problem, but people are, then why do we give people guns?

And where were the good guys with guns, i.e. Joe Gun Rack or Militia Mike to stop the shooter?  Why is it almost always the police stopping bad guys?

This idea that a good guy with a gun will stop a bad guy with a gun actually doesn’t happen very often. It did happen in the church shooting a few years ago, but that was a very stationary event - one location.  If the killer moves around a bit as he did in Odessa, he keeps surprising people, and nobody is ever prepared.  Plus, if you actually carried an automatic weapon, the killer would see it and either go somewhere else or shoot you first.  There are many of those guns in Texas, but you never see anyone carrying them in public, so no one is prepared.  It’s really an unrealistic way of stopping these events.

You know those multiple choice questions about what you should do in a dangerous situation?

You are driving down the freeway with your family in the car.  Someone comes from behind, pulls alongside and you see that they are pointing an assault rifle at you.  You should:

1.  Tell your wife to call 911, and tell your kids to duck on the floor.

2.  Reach for your Glock in the glove compartment

3.  Hit the brakes and get rear-ended by a Shell tanker.

4.  Swerve into the guy like on the Terminator.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtZedvWtJYA

5.  Roll down your window and give him the finger like on Easy Rider.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLAYw0vM-bw

6.  Move to New Zealand

 
 
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