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Seeing the one who is seeing

 
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23 July 2020 11:02
 
jro - 29 June 2020 01:20 PM
burt - 28 June 2020 08:55 AM

Who is the one who is seeing the one who is seeing?

Who is the one who is seeing the one who is seeing the one who is seeing?

Need I say more?

Yes, because the question is: What is the method? How do I do this supposedly “simple” thing? Each time Sam says “just turn attention upon itself” or “simply look for the one who is looking” I just have no idea what I am supposed to do. So I fail at it every single time.

Since this is obviously not a physical “looking” or “turning”, it is something that has to be imagined, and for me, imagination mostly just doesn’t work, be it with Metta meditation, be it with all kinds of other methods where you are asked to imagine something and work with an inner image.

I wonder if, without psychodelics I simply have no chance of getting there, else my brain just isn’t capable of whatever that magic trick is.

Zen master Dahui comments:

“If you want to know the realm of the enlightened, you should make your mind as clear as space; detach from subjective imaginings and from all grasping, making your mind unimpeded wherever it turns.” 

“The realm of the enlightened is not an extermal realm with manifest characteristics; buddhahood is the realm of the sacred knowledge found in oneself.  [the knowledge you were born with]

“You do not need paraphernalia, [psychedelics etc.] practices, or realizations to attain it - what you need to do is to clean out the influences of the psychological afflictions connected with the external world that have been accumulating in your psyche since beginningless time.

“Make your mind as wide open as cosmic space; detach from graspings in the conceptual consciousness, and false ideas and imaginings will also be like empty space.  Then this effortless* subtle mind will naturally be unimpeded wherever it turns.”

Dahui (Ta Hui Tsung Kao - 1089-1163) quoted from the book, ‘ZEN ESSENCE - The Science of Freedom’ - translated and edited by Thomas Cleary

* If you notice any mental effort, it means you’ve gone past it and are looking for something ‘out there’ . . .  something you don’t have.  (greed on the march)

 
 
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06 August 2020 11:19
 

Zen master Yuansou comments:

“If you do not listen truly, you will call the bell a pitcher, and inevitably wind up adding error to error, talking about “Buddha,” “Zen masters,” “mind,” and “essence.”  How is this different from gouging a wound in healthy flesh?

“Real Zennists set a single eye on the state before the embryo is formed, before any signs become distinct.  This opens up and clears the mind, so that it penetrates the whole universe.  Then they are no different from the Buddha and the founder of Zen.

“This is called the crowning meditation, the jewel that reflects all colors, the inexhaustible treasury, the gateway to spiritual powers, the diamond sword, the crouching lion, the blaze - there are various names for it.

“Now there is nothing in the universe, nothing mundane or transmundane, to be an object, an opposite, a barrier, or a hindrance to you.”

(Yuansou quoted from the book, ‘ZEN ESSENCE - The Science of Freedom’ - translated and edited by Thomas Cleary)

‘gouging a wound in healthy flesh’  -  Does Yuansou mean the effort to improve the consciousness, the seeing that has taken more than 3 billion years for evolution to develop?

[ Edited: 06 August 2020 11:26 by unsmoked]
 
 
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18 September 2020 06:54
 

I am in exactly the same position. I’ve been enjoying the Waking Up app for 18 months, but the instructions to “look for what is looking” and “turn attention upon itself” are beginning to frustrate me. I end up “trying” to do something, although I’m never sure what, but then apparently i should not be ‘trying’ or ‘struggling’ or grasping. I’m missing something, and yet, apparently I should not be thinking like that….

 
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