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What grade level is Trump’s vocabulary and speaking ability?

 
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15 September 2019 17:49
 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-language-level-speaking-skills-age-eight-year-old-vocabulary-analysis-a8149926.html

quote:  “Donald Trump may call himself a genius on Twitter, but his spoken statements say otherwise.  An analysis of the President’s first 30,000 words uttered in office found Mr Trump speaks at a third- to seventh-grade reading level.”  (read more in article)

example:  “I’d like to punch him in the face. I’d like to punch him in the face, I tell ya.”  (Trump, referring to a protester being escorted out during a Feb. 22, 2016 rally in Las Vegas)

Other examples?.

 

 
 
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16 September 2019 03:50
 

“This is an island, surrounded by water. Big water. Ocean water,”
Trump on Puerto Rico

“Two Corinthians, 3:17, that’s the whole ballgame.”
Trump at Liberty University

“I know words,” he said. “I have the best words.”
Trump during a rally in Sout Carolina


And his favorite words/phrases:

- winning
- sad
- bigly/big league
- not good
- great
- huge/yuge
- stupid
- loser
- fake news
- amazing
- covfefe


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16 September 2019 07:12
 

He has learned to speak to the level of his base, which is rather base language. He doesn’t get to first base with an educated crowd.  He uses words based in fear.  All my opinions are based on watching baseball.

 
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16 September 2019 09:53
 

The scary thing isn’t his kindergarden level of speech - it’s the fact that he used to be quite eloquent.
His vocabulary has dramatically declined, a very typical sign of dementia.

 
 
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16 September 2019 12:16
 
Twissel - 16 September 2019 09:53 AM

The scary thing isn’t his kindergarden level of speech - it’s the fact that he used to be quite eloquent.
His vocabulary has dramatically declined, a very typical sign of dementia.

I never watched his TV show.  Did he really speak in adult sentences?  https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/02/06/opinion/trump-speech-mental-capacity.html

 
 
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16 September 2019 17:18
 
Twissel - 16 September 2019 09:53 AM

The scary thing isn’t his kindergarden level of speech - it’s the fact that he used to be quite eloquent.
His vocabulary has dramatically declined, a very typical sign of dementia.

Or maybe it’s because:

EN - 16 September 2019 07:12 AM

He has learned to speak to the level of his base . . .

 
 
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16 September 2019 23:51
 

It’s a poor effort on his part, or he could be doing it on purpose? Or he’s thick.

 
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17 September 2019 03:49
 

I’ll go with he’s just plain stupid. There’s no evidence to indicate otherwise. Has he ever read a book?  Has he ever displayed any intellectual curiosity? How would he look engaged in conversation with some real public intellectuals, such as Neil deGrasse Tyson, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Michael Shermer, Steven Pinker, etc.? 

Anyway, not only does Trump have the vocabulary and intellect of a 4th grader, he also has the temperament of a 4th grader! He really is the perfect storm of the worst deficiencies one could envision in a President.

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17 September 2019 04:38
 

From the observed mistakes whenever he reads off a teleprompters it is very clear that Trump has a reading disability. Reading “Ramparts” as “Airports” is a typical example, but there are so many cases when Trump clearly guessed a word that he couldn’t read.

This takes a lot of effort to keep up, and the older you get, the less energy you have for that kind of stuff.

No wonder he wants his Daily Briefings are Charts and as short as possible.

 
 
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17 September 2019 09:42
 
MrRon - 17 September 2019 03:49 AM

I’ll go with he’s just plain stupid.  ... How would he look engaged in conversation with some real public intellectuals, such as Neil deGrasse Tyson, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Michael Shermer, Steven Pinker, etc.? 

This is funny stuff, Ron.  I think you are conflating Intelligence with Intellect. Intellectuals of today are people who make claims for which they know they will never pay a price. Intelligence minus judgment equals intellect. Some are interesting to read but apparently people like you worship them. Hold them up as the golden standard. Read about the history of intellectuals and the harm they have caused.

I do agree with you that Trump is not as good a speaker as ... say like Joe Biden.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1173969845299363841

 
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17 September 2019 10:24
 

Trump is a very stable genius, right Celal?

 
 
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Twissel - 16 September 2019 09:53 AM

The scary thing isn’t his kindergarden level of speech - it’s the fact that he used to be quite eloquent.
His vocabulary has dramatically declined, a very typical sign of dementia.

I never liked the guy but this seems pretty important. When he did tv spots in the eighties he would describe complex concepts in detail. He had a good cadence. He didn’t falter or stutter. He had good body language. He would answer direct questions. Not an especially ethical person even then but at least a competent and intelligible person. The craziest thing, at that point was his juvenile fixation with projecting wealth.

I don’t think his descent into crazy is some calculated effort to appeal to middle America. That’s just an unhappy coincidence. The exception being the prayer photo ops. Those are clearly contrived.

I think one can notice that he isn’t consistent. He is still capable of switching to a marginally higher gear. I’ve seen this in interviews and televised conferences or when he isn’t feeling immediately threatened. I’m not sure if this makes it worse or better. What do mental health professionals say? Are people whose pathologies are consistent better or worse than those whose behavior varies?

 

 
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17 September 2019 16:13
 
Celal - 17 September 2019 09:42 AM
MrRon - 17 September 2019 03:49 AM

I’ll go with he’s just plain stupid.  ... How would he look engaged in conversation with some real public intellectuals, such as Neil deGrasse Tyson, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Michael Shermer, Steven Pinker, etc.? 

This is funny stuff, Ron.  I think you are conflating Intelligence with Intellect. Intellectuals of today are people who make claims for which they know they will never pay a price. Intelligence minus judgment equals intellect. Some are interesting to read but apparently people like you worship them. Hold them up as the golden standard. Read about the history of intellectuals and the harm they have caused.

I do agree with you that Trump is not as good a speaker as ... say like Joe Biden.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1173969845299363841

Celal,

1) So making a claim for which one will never have to pay a price is your definition of “intellectual”?? Just trying to understand you. And what “claims” are the people that I mentioned making without having to pay a price?

2) I admire and respect the individuals mentioned. However, I do not worship them. So, for instance, if one of them stood in the middle of 5th Avenue and shot somebody, they would immediately lose my admiration and respect. Now, Trump supporters are a different story (according to Trump himself). Moreover, none of the people I mentioned would ever even brag that they could shoot someone and not lose support. So please tell me more about “worshipping” somebody.

3) Any “harm” caused by intellectuals is irrelevant to my point. Which is that Trump is stupid. So, question for you…. do YOU think Trump is smart? And I don’t mean “street” smart - I mean smart smart. Do you think he could keep pace in a robust dialogue about thought-provoking abstract (or not so abstract) matters with any of the individuals I mentioned? And did you vote for him because he’s a “genius” or because you just like his policy positions? It’s OK to come out and just say you like his policy positions, but please be honest here. I’m genuinely curious what Trump supporters think of his intelligence.

PS - Joe Biden is irrelevant. Joe Biden is not the President. And no, Trump is not a superior speaker to Biden (as you sarcastically implied). But keep trying. Your attempts at defending/propping up Trump are entertaining if nothing else. 


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17 September 2019 16:34
 
Twissel - 17 September 2019 10:24 AM

Trump is a very stable genius, right Celal?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ8adBI9kCQ

 
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MrRon - 17 September 2019 04:13 PM
Celal - 17 September 2019 09:42 AM
MrRon - 17 September 2019 03:49 AM

I’ll go with he’s just plain stupid.  ... How would he look engaged in conversation with some real public intellectuals, such as Neil deGrasse Tyson, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Michael Shermer, Steven Pinker, etc.? 

This is funny stuff, Ron.  I think you are conflating Intelligence with Intellect. Intellectuals of today are people who make claims for which they know they will never pay a price. Intelligence minus judgment equals intellect. Some are interesting to read but apparently people like you worship them. Hold them up as the golden standard. Read about the history of intellectuals and the harm they have caused.

I do agree with you that Trump is not as good a speaker as ... say like Joe Biden.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1173969845299363841

Celal,

1) So making a claim for which one will never have to pay a price is your definition of “intellectual”?? Just trying to understand you. And what “claims” are the people that I mentioned making without having to pay a price?

2) I admire and respect the individuals mentioned. However, I do not worship them. So, for instance, if one of them stood in the middle of 5th Avenue and shot somebody, they would immediately lose my admiration and respect. Now, Trump supporters are a different story (according to Trump himself). Moreover, none of the people I mentioned would ever even brag that they could shoot someone and not lose support. So please tell me more about “worshipping” somebody.

3) Any “harm” caused by intellectuals is irrelevant to my point. Which is that Trump is stupid. So, question for you…. do YOU think Trump is smart? And I don’t mean “street” smart - I mean smart smart. Do you think he could keep pace in a robust dialogue about thought-provoking abstract (or not so abstract) matters with any of the individuals I mentioned? And did you vote for him because he’s a “genius” or because you just like his policy positions? It’s OK to come out and just say you like his policy positions, but please be honest here. I’m genuinely curious what Trump supporters think of his intelligence.

PS - Joe Biden is irrelevant. Joe Biden is not the President. And no, Trump is not a superior speaker to Biden (as you sarcastically implied). But keep trying. Your attempts at defending/propping up Trump are entertaining if nothing else. 


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Ron - I think you do not understand the term “intellectual” for if you did you would not have responded so.

Firstly, you must start with the basic that Intellect is NOT wisdom, and Intellectual refers to people like writers, academics etc who deal primarily with ideas. But NOT application of ideas. They are ultimately unaccountable for their ideas.  Intellectuals police their own and provide unrestricted freedom for each other with no consequences.

George Orwell’s line from Notes on Nationalism (1945): “One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that: no ordinary man could be such a fool.”  Put differently, some ideas are so foolish that only an intellectual could believe them, for no ordinary man could be such a fool.  20th Century is full of admired and respected intellectuals who supported some of the most murderous dictatorships like Hitler, Mao, Lenin, etc…

1933, George Bernard Shaw said, “You Americans are so fearful of dictators. Dictatorship is the only way in which government can accomplish anything. See what a mess democracy has led to. Why are you afraid of dictatorship?

I have read the people you mentioned. I don’t admire them. I’m a professional Engineer. I deal in application of ideas. The end product. I admire Bill Gates for what he has created. I admire a medical scientist who developed a cure for an illness that plagued humanity.  I do not admire anyone who only begins and ends with ideas and have been insulated from material consequences.

Ask yourself why is it people like Bill Gates, Nobel Prize winning Physicists or Chemist, or Mathematicians or builder of sky-scrappers not considered intellectuals?

The rules for this category are defined by the intellectuals for gullible people like you.  I would seriously doubt anyone of the intellectuals you admire could do what Trump had done in his prior life. Build sky-scrappers or even be qualified to hold a hammer, trowel, weld, hang a door. But obviously they can impress you with the grasp of the ideas you consider complex and sound like any talking head on TV.

 

 

 

 

[ Edited: 17 September 2019 17:57 by Celal]
 
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17 September 2019 21:51
 
Celal - 17 September 2019 04:34 PM
Twissel - 17 September 2019 10:24 AM

Trump is a very stable genius, right Celal?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ8adBI9kCQ

deflection noted.

 

 
 
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