Douglas Murray — The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race, and Identity

 
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https://www.skeptic.com/science-salon/douglas-murray-madness-of-crowds-gender-race-identity/

In his devastating new book The Madness of Crowds, Douglas Murray examines the 21st century’s most divisive issues: sexuality, gender, technology and race. He reveals the astonishing new culture wars playing out in our workplaces, universities, schools and homes in the names of social justice, identity politics and intersectionality. We are living through a postmodern era in which the grand narratives of religion and political ideology have collapsed. In their place have emerged a crusading desire to right perceived wrongs and a weaponization of identity, both accelerated by the new forms of social and news media. Narrow sets of interests now dominate the agenda as society becomes more and more tribal — and, as Murray shows, the casualties are mounting. Readers of all political persuasions cannot afford to ignore Murray’s masterfully argued and fiercely provocative book, in which he seeks to inject some sense into the discussion around this generation’s most complicated issues. He ends with an impassioned call for free speech, shared common values and sanity in an age of mass hysteria. Shermer and Murray discuss:

  gay: born this way?
  race: why current attitudes are an inversion of Martin Luther King Jr.’s dream
  gender: is it really all about power? Men and women in the workplace
  trans: how big an issue is this and how many trans people are there? Reversing trans surgeries
  the problem of intersectionality, or the oppression olympics
  campus craziness: how big a problem is it really?
  political correctness and free speech
  the problem of “overcorrection” in moral progress, and
  the way forward.

Douglas Murray is an author and journalist based in Britain. His previous book, The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam, was a No. 1 bestseller in non-fiction. Murray has been a contributor to the Spectator since 2000 and has been Associate Editor at the magazine since 2012. He has also written regularly for numerous other outlets including the Wall Street Journal, the Times, the Sunday Times, the Sun, Evening Standard and the New Criterion. He is a regular contributor to National Review and has been a columnist for Standpoint magazine since its founding.

 
 
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Problem with Murray is that because he is right on some issues (for which he gets a lot of pushback), he thinks he is right on everything.

 
 
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Twissel - 15 October 2019 09:15 AM

Problem with Murray is that because he is right on some issues (for which he gets a lot of pushback), he thinks he is right on everything.

So what is he right and wrong on, show your work.

 
 
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In general I think there’s some truth to his claim that activism in support of some of the issues he outlines in his book is in an overcorrection mode at the moment that often results in ideas that are just as bad, if not worse, than the original issue. One example is an attempt to squelch hate speech by limiting free speech. That said, those on the right in this country (and other western nations) don’t need another excuse to discount the fact that racism, bigotry, xenophobia, and misogyny still exist and, in the case of the good ole USA, are afforded a powerful voice by the current occupant of the oval office.

 
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proximacentauri - 15 October 2019 01:38 PM

In general I think there’s some truth to his claim that activism in support of some of the issues he outlines in his book is in an overcorrection mode at the moment that often results in ideas that are just as bad, if not worse, than the original issue. One example is an attempt to squelch hate speech by limiting free speech. That said, those on the right in this country (and other western nations) don’t need another excuse to discount the fact that racism, bigotry, xenophobia, and misogyny still exist and, in the case of the good ole USA, are afforded a powerful voice by the current occupant of the oval office.

Those things exist and always will no matter how many laws you try to make. As he (and others) say 99% of those issues have been addressed in society but the SJW pretend they are saving everyone from fates worse then death. This goes back to what I have been posting here for a long time, there just isn’t enough actual racism, bigotry and misogyny to support the massive number of people trying to make a living off it and so it has to be manufactured now.

 
 
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GAD - 15 October 2019 05:35 PM
proximacentauri - 15 October 2019 01:38 PM

In general I think there’s some truth to his claim that activism in support of some of the issues he outlines in his book is in an overcorrection mode at the moment that often results in ideas that are just as bad, if not worse, than the original issue. One example is an attempt to squelch hate speech by limiting free speech. That said, those on the right in this country (and other western nations) don’t need another excuse to discount the fact that racism, bigotry, xenophobia, and misogyny still exist and, in the case of the good ole USA, are afforded a powerful voice by the current occupant of the oval office.

Those things exist and always will no matter how many laws you try to make. As he (and others) say 99% of those issues have been addressed in society but the SJW pretend they are saving everyone from fates worse then death. This goes back to what I have been posting here for a long time, there just isn’t enough actual racism, bigotry and misogyny to support the massive number of people trying to make a living off it and so it has to be manufactured now.

Did Murray and others actually say that “99% of these issues have been addressed in society” or did you just pull the 99% figure from your ass? Regardless, as I said in my previous post I do agree that activism has gone too far in certain areas. But that is not to say that activism is no longer needed, which appears to be your stance.

 
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proximacentauri - 16 October 2019 09:47 AM
GAD - 15 October 2019 05:35 PM
proximacentauri - 15 October 2019 01:38 PM

In general I think there’s some truth to his claim that activism in support of some of the issues he outlines in his book is in an overcorrection mode at the moment that often results in ideas that are just as bad, if not worse, than the original issue. One example is an attempt to squelch hate speech by limiting free speech. That said, those on the right in this country (and other western nations) don’t need another excuse to discount the fact that racism, bigotry, xenophobia, and misogyny still exist and, in the case of the good ole USA, are afforded a powerful voice by the current occupant of the oval office.

Those things exist and always will no matter how many laws you try to make. As he (and others) say 99% of those issues have been addressed in society but the SJW pretend they are saving everyone from fates worse then death. This goes back to what I have been posting here for a long time, there just isn’t enough actual racism, bigotry and misogyny to support the massive number of people trying to make a living off it and so it has to be manufactured now.

Did Murray and others actually say that “99% of these issues have been addressed in society” or did you just pull the 99% figure from your ass? Regardless, as I said in my previous post I do agree that activism has gone too far in certain areas. But that is not to say that activism is no longer needed, which appears to be your stance.

I could have said vast majority etc, 99% was meant like saying a bazillion times etc, I think you know that but just had to find something to attack.

And no, that is not my stance, that is your projection to justify your own stance.

 
 
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GAD - 15 October 2019 05:35 PM
proximacentauri - 15 October 2019 01:38 PM

In general I think there’s some truth to his claim that activism in support of some of the issues he outlines in his book is in an overcorrection mode at the moment that often results in ideas that are just as bad, if not worse, than the original issue. One example is an attempt to squelch hate speech by limiting free speech. That said, those on the right in this country (and other western nations) don’t need another excuse to discount the fact that racism, bigotry, xenophobia, and misogyny still exist and, in the case of the good ole USA, are afforded a powerful voice by the current occupant of the oval office.

Those things exist and always will no matter how many laws you try to make. As he (and others) say 99% of those issues have been addressed in society but the SJW pretend they are saving everyone from fates worse then death. This goes back to what I have been posting here for a long time, there just isn’t enough actual racism, bigotry and misogyny to support the massive number of people trying to make a living off it and so it has to be manufactured now.

Interesting point. Always important to be able to distinguish those who are seriously committed from those who are “making a living,” or perhaps, “addicted to indignation.”