The Future of NATO

 
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03 December 2019 08:08
 

Hearken back to 1956 and imagine the Suez Crisis.  Colonialism is on the decline and Independence is on the rise.  After futile attempts to establish sovereignty of the Suez Canal from Britain and France, Nasser, President of Egypt, nationalised it.  Prompting Britain and France to use their influence to get Israel to invade the Sinai knowing full well that Egypt would push back.  By demanding a cease fire they knew would not be complied with they could look like mediators rather than aggressors.  And that gave them the excuse to intervene with military force and regain control of the Suez Canal. 

The other members of NATO were outraged by the fact that two of its member states would commit such an underhanded move by creating this international incident to serve their own interests.  And spreading propaganda to hide what they were doing.  At which point the rest of NATO, led by the Americans, together with the Soviets and United Nations stepped in to re-establish world order.  And it led to the formation of the Blue Helmeted UN Peace Keeping Forces.

Are the present day actions of the United States and Turkey in Syria somewhat mirroring those of Britain and France in the past?  Is the outrage of the other member states of NATO justified?  If the Suez Crisis was the tipping point for the decline of the British and French Empires…could the crisis in Syria be the tipping point for the decline of the Americans?

 
 
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03 December 2019 12:13
 
LadyJane - 03 December 2019 08:08 AM

Hearken back to 1956 and imagine the Suez Crisis.  Colonialism is on the decline and Independence is on the rise.  After futile attempts to establish sovereignty of the Suez Canal from Britain and France, Nasser, President of Egypt, nationalised it.  Prompting Britain and France to use their influence to get Israel to invade the Sinai knowing full well that Egypt would push back.  By demanding a cease fire they knew would not be complied with they could look like mediators rather than aggressors.  And that gave them the excuse to intervene with military force and regain control of the Suez Canal. 

The other members of NATO were outraged by the fact that two of its member states would commit such an underhanded move by creating this international incident to serve their own interests.  And spreading propaganda to hide what they were doing.  At which point the rest of NATO, led by the Americans, together with the Soviets and United Nations stepped in to re-establish world order.  And it led to the formation of the Blue Helmeted UN Peace Keeping Forces.

Are the present day actions of the United States and Turkey in Syria somewhat mirroring those of Britain and France in the past?  Is the outrage of the other member states of NATO justified?  If the Suez Crisis was the tipping point for the decline of the British and French Empires…could the crisis in Syria be the tipping point for the decline of the Americans?

Or was the tipping point for the decline of the Americans when the French pulled out of Indochina (Vietnam) and the Americans moved in?  https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nick-turse-kill-anything-that-moves_b_2897858

Or was it when Bush/Cheney institutionalized torture?  https://theweek.com/articles/555720/how-george-w-bush-dick-cheney-brought-torture-america

Or was it . . . https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/oct/09/cia-torture-black-site-enhanced-interrogation

Or is it Melania putting Christ back into Christmas?  https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2019/12/02/melania-trumps-christmas-decorations-are-lovely-that-coat-looks-ridiculous/

Or is it this?  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/homeless-in-america-the-issues-forcing-people-in-seattle-onto-the-street-60-minutes-2019-12-01/  While a man with 50 billion dollars is running for president, saying he can beat Trump?

https://www.google.com/search?q=tents+of+the+homeless+covered+with+snow

 
 
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30 December 2019 00:37
 

I think the tipping point for American power is associated with the Iraq war of 2002 and continuing. I’m saying associated because it’s unclear to me based on the evidence I have if the war itself or one or more of the botched policies and actions during the war were the main contributors.

It has occurred to me in general that the actions of the United States are quite close in kind to the actions of Britain and France leading up to the Suez crisis.

I generally discount cultural hypocrisy like most of those points raised by unsmoked as major effects on international balances of power. They may indirectly affect power but mainly through eroding the notion of American exceptionalism, i.e., through mythology. I think the Indochina war was not a tipping point but was a setback that was effectively recovered by the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union.