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Cultivating Sustainable Local Economies

 
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31 January 2020 17:43
 

  Socialism is a Cooperatively based model and more salient than a Competitive (Capitalist) model in the interdependent era of Climate Change.  Sustainability is a viable solution to all future based systemic development.  Cultivating Sustainable local economies can redirect a dependency on natural resources to renewables and the localization of our food system.  This kind of proactive Localism can promote and support Sustainability for both the Sociological and Ecological environments. 

 

[ Edited: 10 February 2020 02:34 by BarfootSage]
 
 
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01 February 2020 04:15
 

This has now been revised.

[ Edited: 01 February 2020 11:22 by BarfootSage]
 
 
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01 February 2020 06:27
 

One more thing.  The very premise of presenting a paradigm shift suggests that it is beyond our current potential.  This theory is written with a frame of reference of New Millennials taking power only to pass the torch to the next generation, with all things considered.

 
 
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01 February 2020 08:15
 

I got about half way through and gave up reading.  It is a word salad with far too many undefined concepts.  It needs to be simplified.

 
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01 February 2020 08:18
 

any vegetarians? lol grin

 
 
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01 February 2020 10:45
 

I saw your post but I did not have an opportunity to read it through before it was deleted. It was hasty to remove it. If there are any interested and thoughtful responses, they may take a week to appear. Don’t be discouraged so quickly. This is a slow and sparsely populated forum. Perhaps it was saladious. Even if so, we’re here to help.

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01 February 2020 10:48
 

yes please, restore the link!

 
 
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01 February 2020 12:24
 

Barefoot, you did not need to edit your OP so severely, but could have left it and added another post to explain and clarify it so we have something to refer to.

 
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01 February 2020 12:38
 

Socialism places more power in the hands of the government. “Cooperation” is forced. So yes, a socialist government would be marginally better able to fight climate change than capitalism is. But why settle for half measures? Best of all would be a Stalinist dictatorship—provided Stalin was committed to fighting climate change. Would that be worth it? If our best hope for the future of mankind and the planet is a global Stalinist dictatorship? It’s a reasonable question. How much do you value the future of mankind and the planet? How much do you value the freedom to pursue your own selfish desires?

 
 
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Antisocialdarwinist - 01 February 2020 12:38 PM

Socialism places more power in the hands of the government. “Cooperation” is forced. So yes, a socialist government would be marginally better able to fight climate change than capitalism is. But why settle for half measures? Best of all would be a Stalinist dictatorship—provided Stalin was committed to fighting climate change. Would that be worth it? If our best hope for the future of mankind and the planet is a global Stalinist dictatorship? It’s a reasonable question. How much do you value the future of mankind and the planet? How much do you value the freedom to pursue your own selfish desires?

Moreover what socialist, communist or dictatorship has solved climate change?

 
 
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01 February 2020 13:59
 

Socialism for me isn’t first giving reference to Government.  Socialism like Humanism ought to be defined by the context in which it is addressing.  My frame of reference is that cultivating functional communities in the world (Community Land Trust’s in particular)can offer a balance to the economic instability, a volatile political climate as well as climate mitigation, adaptation and restoration.  The New Millennials are asking for it because they know there is no where else for them to go.  So offering solidarity and support because I am in the position to do so creates a WIN WIN scenario.  What is the problem with that?

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01 February 2020 18:00
 

community land trust

A community land trust is a nonprofit corporation that develops and stewards affordable housing, community gardens, civic buildings, commercial spaces and other community assets on behalf of a community.

I take it that you’re putting this out here in case any like-minded patrons of the Sam Harris Forum didn’t know about CLTs? It’s an interesting idea, but I don’t think it’s going to make any difference in terms of climate change. I don’t think there are enough people who will want to participate. But who knows? At worst, it’s just another tax dodge (are there rules against donors being the recipients of those 0% loans?), or one more way to separate do-gooders from their money.

 
 
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01 February 2020 22:56
 

I never got a chance to read the OP but I am definitely an enthusiastic supporter of local sourcing, barter markets and lifestyle minimalism. For lots of reasons. Economic sustainability. Social cohesion. Ethical treatment of people and animals. Healthy food and water. Every aspect of community really.

I’m excited to learn whatever I can to further this ethos.

 

 

 
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Brick Bungalow - 01 February 2020 10:56 PM

I never got a chance to read the OP but I am definitely an enthusiastic supporter of local sourcing, barter markets and lifestyle minimalism. For lots of reasons. Economic sustainability. Social cohesion. Ethical treatment of people and animals. Healthy food and water. Every aspect of community really.

I’m excited to learn whatever I can to further this ethos.

Here are a few key sources that have opened doors for me.

https://www.geofflawtononline.com

https://community-wealth.org/

https://peopleshub.org

https://neweconomy.net

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlzLwVweDpQ&fbclid=IwAR1kd2wzqaCLIyNS1ebhAVtSvMjGHp1k5n6yf4hWjevPTlV9LorTvR0DfKo

 
 
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Antisocialdarwinist - 01 February 2020 06:00 PM

community land trust

A community land trust is a nonprofit corporation that develops and stewards affordable housing, community gardens, civic buildings, commercial spaces and other community assets on behalf of a community.

I take it that you’re putting this out here in case any like-minded patrons of the Sam Harris Forum didn’t know about CLTs? It’s an interesting idea, but I don’t think it’s going to make any difference in terms of climate change. I don’t think there are enough people who will want to participate. But who knows? At worst, it’s just another tax dodge (are there rules against donors being the recipients of those 0% loans?), or one more way to separate do-gooders from their money.

It is very interesting.  And here is why I think it could be a greater answer to Climate Change than one might first surmise.  It is a viable solution to affordable housing in overinflated housing markets like Seattle.  There are virtually no pathways to home ownership for those whom have a budget of $500,000 or less.  Ridiculous for people under 40 years of age.  Besides this solution, C.L.T.‘s offer cost effective ways to harness the power of community and dramatically improve our quality of life while self promoting responsible tenure ship. (I call this a trickle up effect.). If C.L.T.‘s can breed maturity, proactive response and community / municipal development outside of the safe harbor of it’s borders it has the power to reshape Sustainability regarding Climate Change mitigation, adaptation and restoration via Localism.  Plus as a non profit it is eligible for multiple sources of outside funding to secure it’s prosperity and livelihood.

 
 
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BarfootSage - 31 January 2020 05:43 PM

  Socialism is a Cooperatively based model and more salient than a Competitive (Capitalist) model in the interdependent era of Climate Change.  Sustainability is a viable solution to all future based systemic development.  Cultivating Sustainable local economies can redirect a dependency on natural resources to renewables and the localization of our food system.  This kind of proactive Localism can promote Sustainability for both the Sociological and Ecological environments. 
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It seems to me you’re conflating two ideas here: decentralism (hooray!), socialism (not so sure about that). I think the two can operate independently.

So, why not strongly encourage decentralized solutions AND support a return to something like Eisenhower era economic policies?

 
 
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