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Empathy and Social Darwinism

 
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22 April 2020 09:28
 

Well so much for every Clint Eastwood movie ever made.  Revenge killing is a pretty satisfying fantasy and a very human way to feel.  Acting on it is another story.  It would be nice to think we’ve evolved to be more civilized but are we?  Are we really? 

What do you make of the reaction by Mossad to the Munich massacre of Israeli athletes at the 1972 Olympics when operation “Wrath of God” systematically assassinated the perpetrators?  A more current example, somewhat closer to home fer some, might include the two bloody decades following nine eleven.  Or just modern American foreign policy in general.  Which is worse?  Executing deliberate targets with precision or carpet bombing the Middle East? 

I think this is what ignites a circle of vengeance.  There’s no way to empathize with something you have no experience with and without that experience there’s no understanding and with no understanding there can be no compassion.  Unless delivered by force.  When someone destroys something of yours and you retaliate by destroying something of theirs you are orchestrating a situation in which they will feel what you feel.  That’s the idea anyway.

Sure, it may be a rendition of the archaic eye fer an eye business…but you can still see it everywhere you look.

 
 
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23 April 2020 14:03
 

Sure, but that’s the problem with movies. Clint Eastwood made a shitty gun-slinging revengor. He was too obvious. Just like how James Bond made a terrible spy, because he left a bread crumb trail of millions of dollars worth of damage everywhere he went. In real life, most people are tourists to vengeful dilemmas because they conflate force with power and use it as their frame of reference for real life political vendettas.

 
 
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23 April 2020 15:19
 

When emotional attachments aren’t standing in the way…we have the clarity to see everybody equally.

There are times to shrug it off when people fuck with yer shit.  Most times, I’d say.  Then there are times where doing nothing is more crippling than crippling someone who fucked with yer shit.

 
 
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LadyJane - 23 April 2020 03:19 PM

...Then there are times where doing nothing is more crippling than crippling someone who fucked with yer shit.

They reckon there is no real gain in revenge, but at least you’ll have fun doing it… that’s a positive.

 
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LadyJane - 23 April 2020 03:19 PM

When emotional attachments aren’t standing in the way…we have the clarity to see everybody equally.

There are times to shrug it off when people fuck with yer shit.  Most times, I’d say.  Then there are times where doing nothing is more crippling than crippling someone who fucked with yer shit.

Yeah, bullies are the worst.

 
 
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24 April 2020 15:21
 

The perception of a bully corresponds with the perceived level of threat.

I think when we don’t venture beyond the limits of our own emotional responses we hinder our ability to empathize in the positive and in the negative when imagining the perspectives of others.  Without doubling back, from time to time, our senses are left only to delight and recoil in the moment.  Cutting off information midstream and obstructing our observations.  And that can quickly translate into love and hate.  Which disappears the middle ground. 

When Einstein sent a letter to Roosevelt fearing the Nazis would exploit the potential to develop a nuclear bomb first it was August 2, 1939.  Hitler invaded Poland on September 1.  And that caused a chain reaction that has continued to this day.  A world where nine states are currently equipped with nuclear weapons.  And even though most of us prefer the idea of no nukes…that cat is now out of the bag.  Coz the fear of a weapon of mass destruction presents less of a threat than the fear of a weapon of mass destruction…in the wrong hands.  But which hands are those? 

I understand the threat.  It’s the same threat that inspired all the others to follow suit.  And yet we don’t seem so understanding even when that perspective looks exactly the same.  Retaliation never really amounts to what we want…it usually boils down to what we can live with.  Through endless examples of man versus man tracing back to different versions of the same basic fight.  But which one is the bully?  That’s not always clear.  Doesn’t it depend on perception?  Without knowing why…we won’t know where to direct our compassion.

I can see how that fear led to the Manhattan Project.  But ze Germans never did get a reactor to work.

 
 
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24 April 2020 17:20
 

Faith in good people

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26 April 2020 05:25
 

Faith in smart people

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