The Right will flip

 
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05 August 2020 08:12
 

I want to go on record and make post-election predictions:

If Trump loses in November he will become the poster boy for blaming the Democrats for all of the problems of the pandemic, and his supporters will follow him.  The Right will flip 180 degrees on the severity of the pandemic and deny their current position that it is under control, then blame Democrats for not doing more to prevent the economic and social devastation caused by the Right’s current hands-off/denial response.  However, wearing a mask will still be considered a constitutional violation.

Currently, no one on the Right is talking about the skyrocketing national debt and increased spending under Trump, but after the election, if Trump loses, that will once again become the darling of the Right’s arguments for why the Democrats can’t control themselves when it comes to money.

Abortion is a non-topic now, but wait until Trump loses.

Russia is not clear to me.  Will Trump suddenly become its enemy, or will he pretend he never cozied up to Putin, or will he continue with his current position that Russia is our ally and friend?  My suspicion is Trump will go in the opposite direction the Democrats go.

I have no doubt Trump will dispute the election if he loses, which is a no-brainer since he is already disputing it.

Trump’s wall which Mexico is paying for, will once again become a hot issue, even though it is dead now.

They will be consistent on one thing - racism.  Filthy immigrants and lazy blacks dragging down America’s potential greatness will remain as they are today.

[ Edited: 05 August 2020 17:04 by Skipshot]
 
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05 August 2020 15:00
 

19 states enacted 63 new restrictions on abortion in 2017.

15 states enacted 23 new restrictions in 2018.

37 new restrictions were passed in 2019.

23 new restrictions have been passed so far this year.

Abortion hasn’t been in the national headlines, but there has been quite a bit going on the past few years.

 
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05 August 2020 17:29
 

Of course the right will flip! So will the left. They both do it all the time. One need look no further than the positions staked out by both sides during the Clinton impeachment, then comparing them with those staked out during the Trump impeachment.

Republican party, Democratic party: “Same shit, different smell.”

 
 
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05 August 2020 17:45
 
Antisocialdarwinist - 05 August 2020 05:29 PM

Of course the right will flip! So will the left. They both do it all the time. One need look no further than the positions staked out by both sides during the Clinton impeachment, then comparing them with those staked out during the Trump impeachment.

Please be more specific about the comparison, since Clinton was impeached for lying about sex, which had nothing to do with his job, and Trump asking a foreign government to help his re-election, which has everything to do with his job.

 
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05 August 2020 18:42
 
Skipshot - 05 August 2020 05:45 PM
Antisocialdarwinist - 05 August 2020 05:29 PM

Of course the right will flip! So will the left. They both do it all the time. One need look no further than the positions staked out by both sides during the Clinton impeachment, then comparing them with those staked out during the Trump impeachment.

Please be more specific about the comparison, since Clinton was impeached for lying about sex, which had nothing to do with his job, and Trump asking a foreign government to help his re-election, which has everything to do with his job.

And your counterparts on the right would say the opposite, that Clinton deserved to be impeached for lying to Congress and the American people, while the Democrats’ impeachment of Trump was purely political, Trump having done nothing but ask a foreign government to help investigate Biden’s obvious abuse of power.

Should Clinton have lied about sex? No.
Should Clinton have been impeached for lying about sex? No.
Should Biden have used his position as VP to interfere with the Ukrainians’ investigation into the company on which his own son was on the board? No.
Should Trump have asked the Ukrainians to investigate Biden, a political rival? No.
Should Trump have been impeached for asking the Ukrainians to investigate Biden? No.

Round and round it goes, the endless Punch and Judy show. Made possible by useful idiots on both sides.

 
 
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05 August 2020 21:09
 

Then why bother becoming involved in the conversation?

 
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06 August 2020 07:04
 
Antisocialdarwinist - 05 August 2020 06:42 PM
Skipshot - 05 August 2020 05:45 PM
Antisocialdarwinist - 05 August 2020 05:29 PM

Of course the right will flip! So will the left. They both do it all the time. One need look no further than the positions staked out by both sides during the Clinton impeachment, then comparing them with those staked out during the Trump impeachment.

Please be more specific about the comparison, since Clinton was impeached for lying about sex, which had nothing to do with his job, and Trump asking a foreign government to help his re-election, which has everything to do with his job.

And your counterparts on the right would say the opposite, that Clinton deserved to be impeached for lying to Congress and the American people, while the Democrats’ impeachment of Trump was purely political, Trump having done nothing but ask a foreign government to help investigate Biden’s obvious abuse of power.

Should Clinton have lied about sex? No.
Should Clinton have been impeached for lying about sex? No.
Should Biden have used his position as VP to interfere with the Ukrainians’ investigation into the company on which his own son was on the board? No.
Should Trump have asked the Ukrainians to investigate Biden, a political rival? No.
Should Trump have been impeached for asking the Ukrainians to investigate Biden? No.

Round and round it goes, the endless Punch and Judy show. Made possible by useful idiots on both sides.

Except the bolded part isn’t true.
1) Trump held up money appropriated by Congress to help Ukraine.
2) Biden didn’t abuse any power.  He engaged in government sanctioned policy approved by the President, paid for by Congress, and was agreed upon by international consensus by both major international organizations such as the UN and NATO, but also many individual nations as well.

I agree that Republicans will claim what you said is true, but we already know that those facts are false.  If a person says they are true, they are either ignoring established facts, or they are attempting to intentionally obfuscate.

I would agree that Clinton shouldn’t have lied to Congress, but the underlying infraction was largely irrelevant to the business of the country.  What Trump did concerned American national security and the integrity of our elections, both of which are issues that are relevant to the business of the country.

Framing this as a “both sides” issue is making the problem worse.  You are buying into the narrative that we cannot solve any problems, and thus it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 
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06 August 2020 17:47
 

Some on the Right have already flipped — flipped-out.

For the past 4 years and more, I’ve watched a growing streak of paranoia, magical thinking and borderline mental illness rising from the ranks of the far right. Trump and the right wing media have exploited these beliefs and have channeled the fear and anger they generate for political purposes.

These far right people are prone to beliefs of the most astounding kinds: QAnon; Boogaloo Boys; people who believe the Coronavirus a hoax, or is spread by 5G towers, or that Bill Gates wants to implant microchips into us; believers in the Deep State taking over; Evangelicals who see Trump as an instrument guided by the hand of God; and people who still think Obama is a Kenyan Muslim.

All of these way, way out theories and the people who believe them have found a home with Trump and his Republican Party.

It’s hard to imagine what flights of fancy these conspiracy theorists and magical thinkers will dream up if “God’s Chosen” loses the presidential election.

It’s going to be something to see.

 
 
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07 August 2020 23:37
 

we have to abandon the idea that rational debate will get us anywhere.
Or enlightened self-interest for that matter.

All that matters for the Right is who the Authority-Figure-du-jour is, and what they say is the right.

I suggest we collect millions to bribe Tucker Carlson&co; (or spend millions getting dirt on them and exhort them). to abandon Trump, McConnell and the rest of the corrupt Right-wing leadership.

[ Edited: 08 August 2020 12:59 by Twissel]
 
 
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08 August 2020 07:30
 

Wasn’t Bloomberg supposed to finance all that?

 
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08 August 2020 12:13
 

The spin machine will flip because that’s what spin machines do. By design. The pundits. The commentators. The editorialists. The press secretaries. Everyone whose employment hinges on public perception and defending the plausible deniability of some superior who hired them. This isn’t the same as millions of registered voters suddenly reversing themselves on the considered (or dogmatic) positions of a lifetime.

Huge blocks of voters don’t ‘flip’ in this way. Not in my observation.They make gradual, cumulative movements. Not as the result of individual elections so much but rather changes in generational zeitgeist, the influx of new residents, economic conditions… stuff like that.

I think its important to be cautious about counting the loudest voices as more significant than the quiet ones. There are a lot of people who do not opine or protest broadcast their views as a hobby and yet vote in every election.