Global Warming: Should We Blame Russia or Canada?

 
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20 December 2020 01:13
 

As my referenced article says, both Russia and Canada stand to gain if optimum agricultural productivity zones move in their direction. Therefore, on the principle of “blame the beneficiary for the crime”, which one should get it?

Aside from my attempt at titillation through snarkiness, now that Trump is becoming less of an issue, perhaps more attention should be paid to geopolitics in the longer term. One thing I learned from the article that I did not know anything about is that there is a Jewish Autonomous Zone in Russia, just west of Kharabovsk across the Amur river from China.

Russia has been explicit about its intention to come out ahead as the climate changes; in its national action plan on climate released in January, it called on the country to “use the advantages” of warming and listed Arctic shipping and extended growing seasons among things that would shower “additional benefits” on the nation. Russia may be no better positioned, politically speaking, to welcome large numbers of migrants than the U.S. or Canada; in fact, xenophobia is probably even more prevalent there. But how it tackles migration and its own demographic challenges will have tremendous consequences for the U.S. and the rest of the world.

For John Podesta, the profound geopolitical challenges posed by climate change first became clear in July 2008, not long before he took charge of President-elect Barack Obama’s transition team. That month, he took part in a war game hosted by the Center for New American Security, a Washington-based research group. The room was full of people who were, like him, awaiting their chance to reenter influential positions in the American government. Around the table in a private conference room at the Newseum in Washington, were former U.S. military officials, a former EPA administrator, advisers to Chinese intelligence officials, analysts from McKinsey and the Brookings Institution and at least one European diplomat. “Let me be very clear,” Podesta told the gathering, in his assigned role as the United Nations secretary general. “Our time is running out.”

The lyrics to Russia’s modern anthem suggest that at least some of its leaders have anticipated this moment: “Wide spaces for dreams and for living are opened for us by the coming years.” As if to fulfill that vision — and perhaps with the expectation of needing more land to execute his climate ambitions — Vladimir Putin declared in 2013 that the remaking of Russia’s East “is our national priority for the entire 21st century,” and that “the goals that have to be attained are unprecedented in their scope.”

[ Edited: 20 December 2020 01:23 by Poldano]
 
 
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20 December 2020 01:44
 

Once we found someone to blame other than us, we no longer need to make any effort to solve the problem.

 
 
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20 December 2020 11:33
 

It’s time to annex Canada, and put the locals on reservations.

 
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20 December 2020 11:50
 
Skipshot - 20 December 2020 11:33 AM

It’s time to annex Canada, and put the locals on reservations.

Don’t make us angry enough to come burn down the white house again. (And then apologize for our hostility.)

 
 
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20 December 2020 12:05
 

The Far East has loomed as a place of expansion and possible national salvation—similar to the mythic role the Far West has played in the USA for generations—going back to at least the 17th century. I don’t know that much about it, but I know it’s a durable myth with long roots in Russian history.

 
 
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20 December 2020 12:38
 
Jefe - 20 December 2020 11:50 AM
Skipshot - 20 December 2020 11:33 AM

It’s time to annex Canada, and put the locals on reservations.

Don’t make us angry enough to come burn down the white house again. (And then apologize for our hostility.)

I love Canadians.  They are so nice.  They can’t be to blame for global warming. I think Canada should annex us.  Then we would never suffer from another Trump.

 
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20 December 2020 15:20
 
EN - 20 December 2020 12:38 PM
Jefe - 20 December 2020 11:50 AM
Skipshot - 20 December 2020 11:33 AM

It’s time to annex Canada, and put the locals on reservations.

Don’t make us angry enough to come burn down the white house again. (And then apologize for our hostility.)

I love Canadians.  They are so nice.  They can’t be to blame for global warming. I think Canada should annex us.  Then we would never suffer from another Trump.

From a Canadian perspective that is a bad idea, since they will inherit more problems than it’s worth just with the Republicans.  They even closed the border to us because we’re the world leaders in COVID stupidity.

 
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20 December 2020 19:50
 
EN - 20 December 2020 12:38 PM
Jefe - 20 December 2020 11:50 AM
Skipshot - 20 December 2020 11:33 AM

It’s time to annex Canada, and put the locals on reservations.

Don’t make us angry enough to come burn down the white house again. (And then apologize for our hostility.)

I love Canadians.  They are so nice.  They can’t be to blame for global warming. I think Canada should annex us.  Then we would never suffer from another Trump.

I love Texans; they’re very friendly.  (The liberal ones who aren’t carrying, that is.)
And with global warming, I expect we’ll see some Texans summering in the North in the near future.
.

 
 
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20 December 2020 19:52
 
Skipshot - 20 December 2020 03:20 PM
EN - 20 December 2020 12:38 PM
Jefe - 20 December 2020 11:50 AM
Skipshot - 20 December 2020 11:33 AM

It’s time to annex Canada, and put the locals on reservations.

Don’t make us angry enough to come burn down the white house again. (And then apologize for our hostility.)

I love Canadians.  They are so nice.  They can’t be to blame for global warming. I think Canada should annex us.  Then we would never suffer from another Trump.

From a Canadian perspective that is a bad idea, since they will inherit more problems than it’s worth just with the Republicans.  They even closed the border to us because we’re the world leaders in COVID stupidity.

I agree.  But we (me anyway) would like to annex Alaska because it should be ours and Hawaii for obvious reasons.

 

 
 
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20 December 2020 23:52
 
Jan_CAN - 20 December 2020 07:50 PM
EN - 20 December 2020 12:38 PM
Jefe - 20 December 2020 11:50 AM
Skipshot - 20 December 2020 11:33 AM

It’s time to annex Canada, and put the locals on reservations.

Don’t make us angry enough to come burn down the white house again. (And then apologize for our hostility.)

I love Canadians.  They are so nice.  They can’t be to blame for global warming. I think Canada should annex us.  Then we would never suffer from another Trump.

I love Texans; they’re very friendly.  (The liberal ones who aren’t carrying, that is.)
And with global warming, I expect we’ll see some Texans summering in the North in the near future.
.

You’re also going to get a few Florida Man coming your way.

 
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21 December 2020 08:13
 
Jan_CAN - 20 December 2020 07:52 PM
Skipshot - 20 December 2020 03:20 PM
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Jefe - 20 December 2020 11:50 AM
Skipshot - 20 December 2020 11:33 AM

It’s time to annex Canada, and put the locals on reservations.

Don’t make us angry enough to come burn down the white house again. (And then apologize for our hostility.)

I love Canadians.  They are so nice.  They can’t be to blame for global warming. I think Canada should annex us.  Then we would never suffer from another Trump.

From a Canadian perspective that is a bad idea, since they will inherit more problems than it’s worth just with the Republicans.  They even closed the border to us because we’re the world leaders in COVID stupidity.

I agree.  But we (me anyway) would like to annex Alaska because it should be ours and Hawaii for obvious reasons.

Don’t be too hasty.  If things keep going the way they are, then Toronto will have Hawaiian weather.

 
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Jefe - 20 December 2020 11:50 AM
Skipshot - 20 December 2020 11:33 AM

It’s time to annex Canada, and put the locals on reservations.

Don’t make us angry enough to come burn down the white house again. (And then apologize for our hostility.)

So now Canada was behind the capitol coup!  I thought we were friends!!!

 
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Skipshot - 12 January 2021 12:15 PM
Jefe - 20 December 2020 11:50 AM
Skipshot - 20 December 2020 11:33 AM

It’s time to annex Canada, and put the locals on reservations.

Don’t make us angry enough to come burn down the white house again. (And then apologize for our hostility.)

So now Canada was behind the capitol coup!  I thought we were friends!!!

We take no responsibility for your home-grown kooks.

 
 
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Jefe - 12 January 2021 01:36 PM
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Jefe - 20 December 2020 11:50 AM
Skipshot - 20 December 2020 11:33 AM

It’s time to annex Canada, and put the locals on reservations.

Don’t make us angry enough to come burn down the white house again. (And then apologize for our hostility.)

So now Canada was behind the capitol coup!  I thought we were friends!!!

We take no responsibility for your home-grown kooks.

Yeah, we don’t back coups, but the invasion’s underway ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31XzZNOeDew

 

 
 
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Jan_CAN - 12 January 2021 04:12 PM
Jefe - 12 January 2021 01:36 PM
Skipshot - 12 January 2021 12:15 PM
Jefe - 20 December 2020 11:50 AM
Skipshot - 20 December 2020 11:33 AM

It’s time to annex Canada, and put the locals on reservations.

Don’t make us angry enough to come burn down the white house again. (And then apologize for our hostility.)

So now Canada was behind the capitol coup!  I thought we were friends!!!

We take no responsibility for your home-grown kooks.

Yeah, we don’t back coups, but the invasion’s underway ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31XzZNOeDew

I’ll hold the door!

 
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Jan_CAN - 12 January 2021 04:12 PM
Jefe - 12 January 2021 01:36 PM
Skipshot - 12 January 2021 12:15 PM
Jefe - 20 December 2020 11:50 AM
Skipshot - 20 December 2020 11:33 AM

It’s time to annex Canada, and put the locals on reservations.

Don’t make us angry enough to come burn down the white house again. (And then apologize for our hostility.)

So now Canada was behind the capitol coup!  I thought we were friends!!!

We take no responsibility for your home-grown kooks.

Yeah, we don’t back coups, but the invasion’s underway ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31XzZNOeDew

I, for one, welcome our new polite overlords.