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A “1st World” Ethical Dilemma

 
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04 January 2021 09:56
 

red:

I think being an ethical consumer is a worthwhile endeavor, but of course in a complex global economy like ours, where large companies and corporations are the norm, you’re never going to achieve consistency. I refuse to give some companies my money, knowing full well that others I frequent are surely guilty of other sins I either don’t know about or manage to overlook.

Trophy hunting is gross, and the GoDaddy ads were—as the kids say—total cringe; but other than that—he’s a rich guy who supports Trump? That’s gonna most of them, likely. It’s not like he’s the “My Pillow” guy going to bat for The Donald, is he? If not, well…you and I buy stuff from companies owned by rich sociopaths who support Trump all the time.

It’s a company he founded, but it’s also a company employing several dozen people who support the sport you enjoy. It’s cool to want something high-end for a passion; I started playing the trumpet again (after a 33 year hiatus!) last year, and after a few months honking on a cheap used horn that couldn’t stay in tune, I gave myself permission to take advantage of a seasonal sale at the local music shop, and spent $2500 on a new Bach Stradivarius, which is a pretty damn nice silver trumpet. A lot of money for an amateur who still struggles with odd time signatures and minor keys, but you only live once.

If you don’t mind me asking—what do you do with teachers?

I agree that in many places golf is an ecological disaster. The course I play on is member owned, and we’re very careful to make ours as eco-friendly as possible. The clubs are considered high-end, but right now their really-great-but-last-generation clubs are on sale, hooray.  (BTW, I played trombone, for many years, congrats on your trumpet!)

I mostly teach super-smart programmers who want to write a book on programming, how to write a book that their readers can actually learn from. I also teach editors to teach authors to do the same. So when I’m teaching and editor I can say that: I’m teaching a teacher to teach a teacher to teach smile

 
 
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04 January 2021 10:27
 

“The course I play on is member owned, and we’re very careful to make ours as eco-friendly as possible.” -Icehorse

That is wonderful news.  1. You are involved in a Cooperative, a form of Socialism.  2.  You are practicing Conscious Consumerism by choosing eco-friendly practices for the golf course.  3.  You are being productive in the world by making valuable contributions to the lives of others.
All good here.

All the best

 
 
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04 January 2021 13:58
 
icehorse - 04 January 2021 09:56 AM

red:

I think being an ethical consumer is a worthwhile endeavor, but of course in a complex global economy like ours, where large companies and corporations are the norm, you’re never going to achieve consistency. I refuse to give some companies my money, knowing full well that others I frequent are surely guilty of other sins I either don’t know about or manage to overlook.

Trophy hunting is gross, and the GoDaddy ads were—as the kids say—total cringe; but other than that—he’s a rich guy who supports Trump? That’s gonna most of them, likely. It’s not like he’s the “My Pillow” guy going to bat for The Donald, is he? If not, well…you and I buy stuff from companies owned by rich sociopaths who support Trump all the time.

It’s a company he founded, but it’s also a company employing several dozen people who support the sport you enjoy. It’s cool to want something high-end for a passion; I started playing the trumpet again (after a 33 year hiatus!) last year, and after a few months honking on a cheap used horn that couldn’t stay in tune, I gave myself permission to take advantage of a seasonal sale at the local music shop, and spent $2500 on a new Bach Stradivarius, which is a pretty damn nice silver trumpet. A lot of money for an amateur who still struggles with odd time signatures and minor keys, but you only live once.

If you don’t mind me asking—what do you do with teachers?

I agree that in many places golf is an ecological disaster. The course I play on is member owned, and we’re very careful to make ours as eco-friendly as possible. The clubs are considered high-end, but right now their really-great-but-last-generation clubs are on sale, hooray.  (BTW, I played trombone, for many years, congrats on your trumpet!)

I mostly teach super-smart programmers who want to write a book on programming, how to write a book that their readers can actually learn from. I also teach editors to teach authors to do the same. So when I’m teaching and editor I can say that: I’m teaching a teacher to teach a teacher to teach smile

Cool—I see you replied before I edited my response. Thought maybe my comment about golf courses might come across more confrontational than intended. smile And kudos to your golf club. I’m not somebody who thinks existing golf courses should be shut down. I’m a ‘small-c’ conservative on social/cultural stuff—problematic things that already exist, by and large, should be grandfathered in.*

I thought I remembered you were involved in writing books on programming, so I was a bit confused by your description but of course you are, indeed, “teaching teachers to teach.” Great stuff.


*(I apply this philosophy to religion, as well—one reason I’m no longer an “anti-theist” non-believer).

 
 
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04 January 2021 14:22
 

Hear the one about the frustrated golfer who bought a new set of high-end golf clubs?  After playing with them for a couple of rounds he returned to his pro shop and told the pro, “These were the best clubs I’ve ever played with.  In fact, I can throw these clubs 40-yards further than my old ones!”
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04 January 2021 14:39
 

It takes a lot of balls to play golf the way I do.

 
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05 January 2021 18:25
 
icehorse - 31 December 2020 11:14 AM

For the last 17 years or so, my wife and I have devoted ourselves to a couple of projects that we think are making the world a better place. One has to do with teaching hundreds of teachers to teach better, and the other has to do with helping thousands of people learn to treat their horses more humanely (and perhaps gain a little humanity in the process). Every day we do battle with the naysayers. Most people are really stuck in their old ways of doing things and push back aggressively when they learn that perhaps they need to evolve how they do things. It’s very draining for us to deal with all the haters day after day after day.

One of my mental and physical health outlets is golf. (I’m also a golf-crash-test-dummy for some of the cutting edge training approaches we’re developing.)

Here’s the thing. My golf clubs are 35 years old. I’ve spent the last couple of months looking into new clubs and trying various brands and models. By far and away, the clubs that suit me best are called PXG. My ethical dilemma is that the guy who founded PXG, Bob Parsons, has done and defended some dubious things. He shot an elephant, he made the infamous, misogynistic GoDaddy commercials, he was (maybe still is?), a trump supporter.

So, these golf clubs will make my life better than any other clubs I’ve found. But I’m not at all sure I want to - even in a tiny way - support Bob Parsons.

Can I justify buying these clubs on the grounds that my mental health improves my ability to “do good” in the world, and so from a utilitarian perspective, the slight negative of supporting Parsons is maybe outweighed by the positive value of helping me keep my head on straight? Or is that just an elaborate justification on my part smile

And yes, as the title indicates, I know it’s a 1st world problem..

Omer gerd; a little late to the game but this is how I suggest you think about it. Are you buying the clubs because he shot an elephant, he made GoDaddy commercials and supports Trump?  Do you think your purchase of clubs will save the life of an elephant?  Is there a person who makes clubs who is perfect in your eyes?

This reminds me of Hume.  The University of Edinburgh took his name off a building because he was apparently racist (who wasn’t, back in the day).  We should not honor Hume because he was racist, we should honor him because he was a great philosopher.

Methinks Mr Harris may agree.

 

 

 
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