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Thanks, Dr. Fauci. . .

 
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nonverbal - 21 July 2021 09:41 AM

. . . for nothing.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/07/dr-rand-paul-vs-anthony-fauci.php

If those experiments were indeed the triggers of the COVID-19, then there’s no shadow of doubt that the vaccine shots should end up mandatory for all the anti-vax people fully aware they’re now the main contributors for the spread of even more deadly variants of this infamous virus.

 
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21 July 2021 10:59
 

Some of the scientists who were calling for more investigation several months ago have released a new report.  They again found no evidence of a lab leak, and additional evidence about the virus that indicates a zoological source as more likely.  It also includes pieces of evidence that are contradictory to a lab leak.

[ Edited: 21 July 2021 11:03 by weird buffalo]
 
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weird buffalo - 21 July 2021 10:59 AM

Some of the scientists who were calling for more investigation several months ago have released a new report.  They again found no evidence of a lab leak, and additional evidence about the virus that indicates a zoological source as more likely.  It also includes pieces of evidence that are contradictory to a lab leak.

Let’s hope, at least.

 
 
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If Covid is basically “the common cold” (or even a complete fabrication) as millions of conservatives keep insisting, then why the show of outrage over research that may have produced it? It seems that on one hand conservatives want to demonize Covid as a dreaded affliction on mankind when it suits them, but on the other hand they like to downplay it to the point of eschewing vaccinations and foregoing business and social restrictions.

 
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MrRon - 22 July 2021 06:04 AM

If Covid is basically “the common cold” (or even a complete fabrication) as millions of conservatives keep insisting, then why the show of outrage over research that may have produced it? It seems that on one hand conservatives want to demonize Covid as a dreaded affliction on mankind when it suits them, but on the other hand they like to downplay it to the point of eschewing vaccinations and foregoing business and social restrictions.

A lot of conservatives have an IQ below 80. So do a lot of liberals.

 
 
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nonverbal - 22 July 2021 01:02 PM
MrRon - 22 July 2021 06:04 AM

If Covid is basically “the common cold” (or even a complete fabrication) as millions of conservatives keep insisting, then why the show of outrage over research that may have produced it? It seems that on one hand conservatives want to demonize Covid as a dreaded affliction on mankind when it suits them, but on the other hand they like to downplay it to the point of eschewing vaccinations and foregoing business and social restrictions.

A lot of conservatives have an IQ below 80. So do a lot of liberals.

This is not an IQ thing. This is yet another example of the level of hypocrisy that conservatives have become famous for. Other examples in recent history include the refusal to have so much as a hearing for Merrick Garland while confirming Amy Coney Barrett in record time, and insisting on 8 investigations into Benghazi while refusing to have just one investigation into the Capitol riots.

 
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23 July 2021 13:11
 

Gotcha.

 
 
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24 July 2021 11:24
 

OMG Department.  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/05/28/biolabs-pathogens-location-incidents/26587505/

quote from this 2015 article:  “The consequences could be devastating if accidents were to occur with lab-created strains of deadly influenza viruses that are purposely engineered to be easier to spread than what’s found in nature, said David Relman, a microbiology professor at Stanford University who is a federal adviser on lab safety and a past president of the Infectious Diseases Society of America.”

“You’re talking about something that has the ability to take off, and we could not be confident of being able to contain it,” he said.”

Question:  How many labs around the world are experimenting with highly dangerous pathogens?

Murphy’s Law  noun
a supposed law of nature, expressed in various humorous popular sayings, to the effect that anything that can go wrong will go wrong.

[ Edited: 24 July 2021 11:26 by unsmoked]
 
 
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unsmoked - 24 July 2021 11:24 AM

OMG Department.  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/05/28/biolabs-pathogens-location-incidents/26587505/

quote from this 2015 article:  “The consequences could be devastating if accidents were to occur with lab-created strains of deadly influenza viruses that are purposely engineered to be easier to spread than what’s found in nature, said David Relman, a microbiology professor at Stanford University who is a federal adviser on lab safety and a past president of the Infectious Diseases Society of America.”

“You’re talking about something that has the ability to take off, and we could not be confident of being able to contain it,” he said.”

Question:  How many labs around the world are experimenting with highly dangerous pathogens?

Murphy’s Law  noun
a supposed law of nature, expressed in various humorous popular sayings, to the effect that anything that can go wrong will go wrong.

My only hope is that no correlation whatsoever could take place between the aforementioned purpose of those experiments and the more than nine hundred US military bases around the world. I think I just can’t help but wonder how that sh"t would f*ck the world up in the hands of near future AI high-tech weapons ... Oh well, better leave it at that.

 
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unsmoked - 24 July 2021 11:24 AM

OMG Department.  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/05/28/biolabs-pathogens-location-incidents/26587505/

quote from this 2015 article:  “The consequences could be devastating if accidents were to occur with lab-created strains of deadly influenza viruses that are purposely engineered to be easier to spread than what’s found in nature, said David Relman, a microbiology professor at Stanford University who is a federal adviser on lab safety and a past president of the Infectious Diseases Society of America.”

“You’re talking about something that has the ability to take off, and we could not be confident of being able to contain it,” he said.”

Question:  How many labs around the world are experimenting with highly dangerous pathogens?

Murphy’s Law  noun
a supposed law of nature, expressed in various humorous popular sayings, to the effect that anything that can go wrong will go wrong.

Not many, but Wuhan is not the only lab doing such research. For instance:

Gain-of-function research has been done in North Carolina, most notably at the lab of UNC-Chapel Hill researcher Ralph Baric.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/gain-of-function-research-what-it-is-and-who-is-doing-it-in-north-carolina/ar-AAMpEf6

According to Mike Pompeo, the Wuhan lab is still up and running, which I assume is the case with other labs around the world doing similar research.

That Fauci felt a need to parse the term “gain-of-function” is an obvious admission of his personal participation and approval of it. It reminds me of Bill Clinton’s far more innocent parsing of “is.” Bill had lied under oath about a sex encounter and Anthony’s essential deception obviously underlies his participation in a philosophy of virology that has been quite destructive of human lives and economic systems.

I have no idea why Fauci is taking on the role of bitch for Rand Paul. If he were a more honest and straightforward person, he’d explain to the world the importance of gain-of-function viral research even though it presents extreme risks. He could go on a world tour earning millions of dollars explaining some of the ins and outs of such research with details about why it continues to be an important aspect of virology. He could comment on how it is that a lab can tend to get sloppy at times, and how such potentially dangerous work needs to have more controls and checks so as to prevent future disasters. He could start working up a sweat detailing precisely how to fix things, but instead, taking a lesson from Clinton with his word parsing, he sweats it out on the Senate floor, risking criminal charges.

As slow-witted as Fauci must be, he’s the highest paid Federal worker we have. No doubt he’s the government’s highest paid con artist and not even a competent one, though his charade managed to last a year and a half. I guess that could be considered an accomplishment of sorts.

[EDIT: I fixed Bill Clinton’s word. It’s is, not it.]

 

[ Edited: 25 July 2021 09:01 by nonverbal]
 
 
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25 July 2021 12:21
 
nonverbal - 25 July 2021 06:17 AM
unsmoked - 24 July 2021 11:24 AM

OMG Department.  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/05/28/biolabs-pathogens-location-incidents/26587505/

quote from this 2015 article:  “The consequences could be devastating if accidents were to occur with lab-created strains of deadly influenza viruses that are purposely engineered to be easier to spread than what’s found in nature, said David Relman, a microbiology professor at Stanford University who is a federal adviser on lab safety and a past president of the Infectious Diseases Society of America.”

“You’re talking about something that has the ability to take off, and we could not be confident of being able to contain it,” he said.”

Question:  How many labs around the world are experimenting with highly dangerous pathogens?

Murphy’s Law  noun
a supposed law of nature, expressed in various humorous popular sayings, to the effect that anything that can go wrong will go wrong.

Not many, but Wuhan is not the only lab doing such research. For instance:

Gain-of-function research has been done in North Carolina, most notably at the lab of UNC-Chapel Hill researcher Ralph Baric.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/gain-of-function-research-what-it-is-and-who-is-doing-it-in-north-carolina/ar-AAMpEf6

I have no idea why Fauci is taking on the role of bitch for Rand Paul. If he were a more honest and straightforward person, he’d explain to the world the importance of gain-of-function viral research even though it presents extreme risks. He could go on a world tour earning millions of dollars explaining some of the ins and outs of such research with details about why it continues to be an important aspect of virology.

As it turns out, its alleged benefit is still uncertain and as such it’s a moot point.

Even though “gain of function” is still at its early times as a biological research practice, many critics already argue that this research to anticipate potential pandemic pathogens does not lead to substantial benefit and is not worth the potential risks. They also say getting out ahead of such threats can be achieved through other means – biological research and otherwise. And a great proof of it is what the scientific community achieved on their biological researches toward the successful creation of effective vaccines for the COVID-19 in just less than two years.

[ Edited: 25 July 2021 12:25 by Rick Robson]
 
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Rick Robson - 25 July 2021 12:21 PM

As it turns out, its alleged benefit is still uncertain and as such it’s a moot point.

Even though “gain of function” is still at its early times as a biological research practice, many critics already argue that this research to anticipate potential pandemic pathogens does not lead to substantial benefit and is not worth the potential risks. They also say getting out ahead of such threats can be achieved through other means – biological research and otherwise. And a great proof of it is what the scientific community achieved on their biological researches toward the successful creation of effective vaccines for the COVID-19 in just less than two years.

That’s my feeling about the matter, as well. But as long as virus researchers are at work anywhere in the world, it might be a good idea for scientists such as Dr. Fauci to speak openly about virus research rather than waiting until senators are grilling them on TV. Ideally, the “news” networks would sponsor serious discussions and debates about the matter of virus research. The research isn’t suddenly just going to stop, so wouldn’t it be terrific if we at least had some idea what they’re doing?

 
 
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nonverbal - 25 July 2021 01:20 PM

Ideally, the “news” networks would sponsor serious discussions and debates about the matter of virus research. The research isn’t suddenly just going to stop, so wouldn’t it be terrific if we at least had some idea what they’re doing?

That information is available.  All one needs to do is serious research and read some virology white papers.  I don’t think ‘democratizing’ virology research and issues among a population that is quite prone to credulity and conspiracy-thinking is of great benefit to everyone, and likely a disservice to those who have obtained the education, done the research, and have painstakingly earned the knowledge.

Can you imagine the framing differences between, say, fox, oan or newsmax and, for instance, the BBC, associated press or reuters?

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Jefe - 25 July 2021 02:51 PM
nonverbal - 25 July 2021 01:20 PM

Ideally, the “news” networks would sponsor serious discussions and debates about the matter of virus research. The research isn’t suddenly just going to stop, so wouldn’t it be terrific if we at least had some idea what they’re doing?

That information is available.  All one needs to do is serious research and read some virology white papers.  I don’t think ‘democratizing’ virology research and issues among a population that is quite prone to credulity and conspiracy-thinking is of great benefit to everyone, and likely a disservice to those who have obtained the education, done the research, and have painstakingly earned the knowledge.

Can you imagine the framing differences between, say, fox, oan or newsmax and, for instance, the BBC, associated press or reuters?

That’s funny. You can’t trust people who will get sick because they’re stupid. You’re some philosopher, Jefe.

 
 
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nonverbal - 25 July 2021 02:59 PM
Jefe - 25 July 2021 02:51 PM
nonverbal - 25 July 2021 01:20 PM

Ideally, the “news” networks would sponsor serious discussions and debates about the matter of virus research. The research isn’t suddenly just going to stop, so wouldn’t it be terrific if we at least had some idea what they’re doing?

That information is available.  All one needs to do is serious research and read some virology white papers.  I don’t think ‘democratizing’ virology research and issues among a population that is quite prone to credulity and conspiracy-thinking is of great benefit to everyone, and likely a disservice to those who have obtained the education, done the research, and have painstakingly earned the knowledge.

Can you imagine the framing differences between, say, fox, oan or newsmax and, for instance, the BBC, associated press or reuters?

That’s funny. You can’t trust people who will get sick because they’re stupid. You’re some philosopher, Jefe.

Point of order:  Stupid is your word, not mine.  I never accused anyone of stupidity.

I honestly think there are very intelligent people out there who are wrapped up in their preferred narratives.

 
 
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