Are you willing to take 150 more shots?

 
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31 August 2021 13:29
 

For all the people here who have a lifetime subscription to Pfizer or Moderna, is there any limit to the number of injections you’re willing to take, in order to maintain basic human rights?

Because at 3 a year, if you live 50 years - that’s 150.  By the time a kid is an adult, if they started at 5, that’s 39 shots plus whatever they get in addition.

 
 
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31 August 2021 16:37
 

I will take whatever it takes to live, as long as it is safe.  Death or being hooked up to a tube in an ICU is not a good option, in my opinion.

 
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Quadrewple - 31 August 2021 01:29 PM

For all the people here who have a lifetime subscription to Pfizer or Moderna, is there any limit to the number of injections you’re willing to take, in order to maintain basic human rights?

Because at 3 a year, if you live 50 years - that’s 150.  By the time a kid is an adult, if they started at 5, that’s 39 shots plus whatever they get in addition.

In a topic called ‘Degrowth Economics’ in the Politics, Science, and Otherwise category I posted this yesterday:

Posted: 31 August 2021 16:42

If Neanderthals lived in Europe for 400,000 years that should tell us something about sustainability.  “The intelligent man knows when to stop.”

https://quotefancy.com/quote/926750/Victor-Hugo-The-wise-man-is-he-who-knows-when-and-how-to-stop

Your topic here seems to be suggesting that we go back to letting diseases kill off those who don’t have natural immunity.  Those who have natural immunity will live to pass on their genes, making our species stronger, like our ancestors, like in the days of high infant mortality etc.

Others think that science (which today is giving us vaccines) will soon come up with ways to give us immunity by using ‘crispr’.  https://www.livescience.com/58790-crispr-explained.html

People today who refuse to be vaccinated (maybe for altruistic reasons . . . with the survival of the species in mind) might die as a result, or cause people around them to die by infecting them - a terrible way to die as EN just mentioned - and they might be the people who could have made a scientific breakthrough (involving crispr?) that would save us all - like if Pasteur died before making his discovery.

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01 September 2021 09:13
 

For the most part, it’s not about counting the number of injections, it’s more about measuring the well-being derived from being safe (safer?) from a potentially fatal disease (with often overlooked potential for long-term effects that are a further drain on medical resources and can be quite costly).

If a simple injection can safely provide measurably better outcomes, then it makes the most sense to just get the vaccination for those who can safely do so.  This should be abundantly clear to all.  The politicization of covid-response measures is both dumb, and, ultimately, harmful.  All one has to do is look at those states who have minimized their efforts at covid-control, and see the story that the spiking numbers of hospitalizations and deaths tells.

Further, we should all be very aware of the risk of further variants of concern emerging due to such a high number of spreaders and unvaccinated folks becoming infected.  Delta is already scarier than the initial virus.  More variants could become even worse.  This also should be abundantly clear to those who actually look at the data. 

My confidence in those who tend toward anti-vax/anti-mask/anti-covid-control is, however, very low.  If they haven’t been able to figure it out by now, chances of a mind-changing event (other than a hospital-bed recantation - which is too late by most measures) is almost nil.  It is very unlikely that someone is going to have their mind changed by reading a forum post in the back-woods of the internet if they have invested interest and authority in alt-right news media that reinforces these negative views of covid-control.

And, IMHO, this stratification paints a landscape for overall society as well.  People will choose authoritative sources of info for themselves based on political leaning over quality or depth of information, and it will always result in sub-optimal results for us all.

 
 
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01 September 2021 09:35
 

I already get a flu shot every year because I like NOT getting the flu.

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Also, if you’ve previously had covid, it does not prevent reinfection by future variants after just 6-9 months.

Researchers studied Kentucky residents with a lab-confirmed coronavirus infection in 2020, the vast majority of them between October and December. They compared 246 people who got reinfected in May or June of this year with 492 similar survivors who stayed healthy. The survivors who never got vaccinated had a significantly higher risk of reinfection than those who were fully vaccinated, even though most had their first bout of COVID-19 just six to nine months ago.

source

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01 September 2021 12:16
 

Quadrewple is afraid to get even one Covid vaccine shot, let alone 150.

 
 
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Cheshire Cat - 01 September 2021 12:16 PM

Quadrewple is afraid to get even one Covid vaccine shot, let alone 150.

How many of us would be alive to post here if we hadn’t been vaccinated for these 14 diseases?  https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/diseases/forgot-14-diseases.html

If anyone posting here has never been vaccinated, they owe their life to all their classmates who were vaccinated, and therefore were not coming to school and infecting them with polio, flu, measles, whooping cough, pneumonia, mumps, chickenpox and others.

Today, adults who are unvaccinated may infect their kids with the highly transmissible delta variant of cobid-19.  Their kids then take it to school to infect others.

 
 
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unsmoked - 02 September 2021 08:51 AM
Cheshire Cat - 01 September 2021 12:16 PM

Quadrewple is afraid to get even one Covid vaccine shot, let alone 150.

How many of us would be alive to post here if we hadn’t been vaccinated for these 14 diseases?  https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/diseases/forgot-14-diseases.html

If anyone posting here has never been vaccinated, they owe their life to all their classmates who were vaccinated, and therefore were not coming to school and infecting them with polio, flu, measles, whooping cough, pneumonia, mumps, chickenpox and others.

Today, adults who are unvaccinated may infect their kids with the highly transmissible delta variant of cobid-19.  Their kids then take it to school to infect others.

Excellent point.  How many of us would be alive today without vaccinations?  There were times when 1 in 4 children would die before the age of five.

A renowned biomedical professor/researcher once told me that recent medical advances have yet to compare to the significance of vaccinations and antibiotics.

In regards to the OP, a recent news report had on an immunologist involved in vaccine development, projecting that in future it is likely that a yearly Covid vaccine may be necessary and that they are working on the possibility of including this with annual flu vaccination.

 

 
 
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02 September 2021 10:08
 

The life expectancy in America has decreased due, in part, to Covid. Vaccines increase life-expectancy. Lack of vaccines decrease life-expectancy. Even Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell have been vaccinated and encourage people to be vaccinated (even though Trump was booed, for once).  Almost 3,000,000,000 doses have been given. This is a damn no-brainer.

 
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02 September 2021 11:58
 
EN - 02 September 2021 10:08 AM

The life expectancy in America has decreased due, in part, to Covid. Vaccines increase life-expectancy. Lack of vaccines decrease life-expectancy. Even Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell have been vaccinated and encourage people to be vaccinated (even though Trump was booed, for once).  Almost 3,000,000,000 doses have been given. This is a damn no-brainer.

Covid anti-vaxxers (those without valid medical reasons or allergies), to coin a technical term, are coo-coo for coco-puffs.

 
 
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06 September 2021 00:03
 
Quadrewple - 31 August 2021 01:29 PM

. . . is there any limit to the number of injections you’re willing to take, in order to maintain basic human rights?

How is getting a shot a human rights issue?  It’s science, not politics.  You are arguing human rights with a virus.  Anti-vax is pro-pandemic.

Once again, ICU beds are filled with people dying of COVID because they refuse the vaccine.  Do you know what the hospitals are not filled with?  People dying from complications of the vaccine.  If you you don’t want the vaccine then any treatment you need for it should be entirely out of your wallet.  Health insurance should raise your premiums or decline to cover the cost of your care if you are unvaccinated and need medical care from COVID, then we’ll see how seriously you take your politics.

California law requires public and private school children entering Kindergarten and 7th Grade to have all their vaccinations, and exemptions are strictly for medical reasons, none of that personal or religious exemption crap.  It is not difficult to add one more vaccination to the list.

 
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06 September 2021 09:31
 

The freedom not to be vaccinated is like the freedom to drive a Harley with no muffler through a hospital zone at midnight.

The definition of breach of the peace

“There is breach of the peace whenever harm is actually done or is likely to be done to a person or in his presence to his property or a person is in fear of being so harmed through an assault, an affray, a riot, unlawfully assembly or other disturbance.

What do you think about this law and unvaccinated adults?  Surely it’s well established that unvaccinated people are infecting others, including children, causing some to die and others to be harmed for life.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/is-it-a-crime-to-intentionally-get-someone-sick.html

Is It a Crime to Intentionally Get Someone Sick?
A person whose intentional or reckless behavior spreads an infectious disease, such as HIV, SARS, or COVID-19, could face criminal charges.

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unsmoked - 06 September 2021 09:31 AM

Is It a Crime to Intentionally Get Someone Sick?

Yes.  Full stop.