Cannot be a credible moral compass using the Torah and Tanakh

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Joined  05-10-2007
28 November 2008 06:45

Richard Dawkins described the Old Testament/Torah/Tanakh perfectly with the following statement.

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” Richard Dawkins.

I am baffled at to how Christians and Jews can cling to their beliefs. Both groups talk about the problems of bigotry, genocide, and hatred when their holy book makes the Klan look like Mother Theresa. For every finger these groups point at everyone else there are three of their own fingers pointing right back at themselves. It is impossible to stand on the Torah and Tanakh and claim moral superiority. Until these groups realize they stand on a position of moral inferiority and fix their own bigotry, hatred, and genocide problems they condemn themselves with their every “moral” statement.

The real motive behind all of the cries of Christians and Jews is likely to deflect the spotlight away from themselves. It is the worst case of “the lady doth protest too much” I have experienced. Keep everyone busy via the Moral Majority, ADL, AIPAC, etc so that they do not have the time or the courage to look at the depraved “god” and holy texts of Judaism and Christianity. The last 2700 years in the Western world has been poisoned by this religious bigotry. The next 2700 years should be devoted to highlighting the sadistic nature of Judaism and Christianity. The ADL and AIPAC would have an endless supply of materials and religious people toward which to direct their witch hunts. In fact they could probably increase their expenditures and staffs by one hundred fold and still be woefully behind. Just remember that every time these bigots open their mouths they are trying to deflect valid criticism from themselves.

For those who are unaware:

“The Written Law consists of the books of the Hebrew Bible, the Tanakh. The term “Bible” is more commonly used by non-Jews, as are the terms “Old Testament” and “New Testament.” The appropriate term for Jews to use for the Hebrew Bible is “Tanakh.” Tanakh is an acronym for Torah, Nevi’im (Prophets) and Ketuvim (Writings).

The Torah is also known as the Chumash, Pentateuch or Five Books of Moses.”

“The term “Torah” (Hebrew: ???????, “teaching” or “instruction,” sometimes translated as “Law,”), or Five Books of Moses or Pentateuch, refers to the entirety of Judaism’s founding legal and ethical religious texts”

“Both Christianity and Islam include the five books of Moses among their sacred texts. However, in both religions they lack the central significance that they have in Judaism.”

“The Tanakh is the Bible used in Judaism. The name “Tanakh” is a Hebrew acronym formed from the initial Hebrew letters of the Tanakh’s three traditional subdivisions: The Torah (“Teaching,” also known as the Five Books of Moses), Nevi’im (“Prophets”) and Ketuvim (“Writings”) - hence TaNaKh. The elements of the Tanakh are incorporated in various forms in Christian Bibles, in which, with some variations, it is called the “Old Testament.”“

Torah (????, literally “teaching”) consists of the first five books of the Bible, commonly referred to as the “Five Books of Moses.” Printed versions of the Torah are often called Chamishei Chumshei Torah (????? ????? ????, literally the “five fifths of the Torah”), and informally “a Chumash.”

1. Genesis [?????? / Breishit]
2. Exodus [???? / Shmot]
3. Leviticus [????? / Vayikra]
4. Numbers [????? / Bamidbar]
5. Deuteronomy [????? / D’varim]

The Hebrew names of the books of the Torah are based on the first prominent word in each book. The English names are not translations of the Hebrew, but are rather Greek names created for the Septuagint which are, in turn, based on Rabbinic names describing the thematic content of each of the Books.


Nevi’im (??????, “Prophets”) consists of eight books. This division includes the books which, as a whole, cover the chronological era from the entrance of the Israelites into the Land until the Babylonian captivity of Judah (the “period of prophecy”). However, they exclude Chronicles, which covers the same period. The Nevi’im are often divided into the Earlier Prophets (?????? ???????), which are generally historical in nature, and the Later Prophets (?????? ???????), which contain more exhortational prophecies.

Although most versions of the Old Testament count the number of books as totalling 21, counting the books of Samuel and Kings as two books each, and the “Twelve Prophets” (or the minor prophets) as 12 books, Jewish tradition does not:

6. Joshua [????? / Y’hoshua]
7. Judges [?????? / Shophtim]
8. Samuel (I & II) [????? / Sh’muel]
9. Kings (I & II) [????? / M’lakhim]
10. Isaiah [????? / Y’shayahu]
11. Jeremiah [????? / Yir’mi’yahu]
12. Ezekiel [?????? / Y’khezqel]
13. The Twelve Prophets [??? ???]
a. Hosea [???? / Hoshea]
b. Joel [???? / Yo’el]
c. Amos [???? / Amos]
d. Obadiah [?????? / Ovadyah]
e. Jonah [???? / Yonah]
f. Micah [???? / Mikhah]
g. Nahum [???? / Nakhum]
h. Habakkuk [????? /Havakuk]
i. Zephaniah [????? / Ts’phanyah]
j. Haggai [??? / Khagai]
k. Zechariah [????? / Z’kharyah]
l. Malachi [????? / Mal’akhi]


Ketuvim (??????, “Writings”) or “scriptures”, are sometimes also known by the Greek title “Hagiographa” and consists of eleven books. These encompass all the remaining books, and include the Five Scrolls. They are sometimes also divided into such categories as Sifrei Emet (???? ???, literally “Books of Truth”) of Psalms, Proverbs and Job (the Hebrew names of these three books form the Hebrew word for “truth” as an acrostic, and all three books have unique cantillation marks), the “wisdom books” of Job, Ecclesiastes, and Proverbs, the “poetry books” of Psalms, Lamentations and Song of Solomon, and the “historical books” of Ezra-Nehemiah and Chronicles. In the Jewish version, Ketuvim consists of eleven books, counting Ezra and Nehemiah as one book and I and II Chronicles as a single book.

The “Sifrei Emet,” “Books of Truth”:

14. Psalms [????? / Tehilim]
15. Proverbs [???? / Mishlei]
16. Job [???? / Iyov]
The “Five Megilot” or “Five Scrolls”:
17. Song of Songs [??? ?????? / Shir Hashirim]
18. Ruth [??? / Rut]
19. Lamentations [???? / Eikhah]
20. Ecclesiastes [???? / Kohelet]
21. Esther [???? / Esther]
The rest of the “Writings”:
22. Daniel [????? / Dani’el]
23. Ezra-Nehemiah [???? ?????? / Ezra v’Nekhemia]
24. Chronicles (I & II) [???? ????? / Divrei Hayamim]

[ Edited: 28 November 2008 07:04 by Cooper]