Who is God? (from CARM)

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20 March 2007 12:54

From CARM (Christian Apologetics Research Ministry):


I Found this expose on who god is and is not profoundly ignorant.  Almost every statement is unsubstantiated.  If one asks "How can we know that is so?" the answer can be traced back to "Because the bible says so".  I'm going to go ahead and ask the questions as to how we know that the points CARM is making are true.  It's raining, my employees all went home, I am bored.

  The question "Who is God?" is a good question. It is better than asking "What is God?" This is because God exists, created us, loves us, is concerned for our being, desires to provide for us, and sent the Son to redeem us.

Very bold assertions right out of the chutes.  How do we know this?  We can't know it.  We only know this because the bible tells us.  A rather weak means of knowing anything.

If we were to ask "What is God?" we might be tempted to say that God is the infinite being, the creator, a presence, or something like that.  In some respect, this would be true.

How do we know this would be true?  Because the bible tells us?

But the first question brings us closer to understanding more of who God really is in His character and His love for us as revealed in the Bible.
The Bible teaches us that in all existence, from all eternity, there has been and always will be only one God.

says the bible… except the bible contradicts the other holy texts that define god.

God was never created, is completely loving, completely just, completely holy, completely merciful, and that He desires the best for us. 

This is incredible.  How can something that is, never have a genesis point?  It says so in the bible? 

And this concept of God is not completely just either (as a non-entity it really can't be anything anyway).  Ask the Somalian girl who was gang raped almost to death this morning if God is just.  She begged for "God" to save her.  Nothing.  If "God" was just, and merciful, he could have distracted her captors and allowed her to escape such an awful experience.  I wonder what life lesson she had to learn from the brutal raping… and if being gang raped is so important to learn it, howcome the rest of us aren't gang raped at least once in our lives??  "God" is not just.  Because consider how Aunt Millie couldn't find a parking space at the doctor's office this morning, said a prayer, and voila, god helped her find one lickety split.  Ah.

God is holy and He can have nothing to do with sin as the Bible says, "His eyes are too pure to look upon evil," (Hab. 1:13).

How can we know this is so?  It says so right there… in the bible… but do not read the various accounts of god sinning by killing innocent people and killing people who sin.

This does not mean that God cannot see what someone does that is wrong.

Spoken with such assumptive authority.  How do we know what, if anything, any god can see?  Simple.  The bible tells us what god can see.  Who wrote the bible?  Humans.

It is a way of describing how holy God is. God cannot sin. He is perfect. 

How can we know this?  It says so in the bible

In Christianity, God is a Trinity.

That is nice.  I feel more knowledgable now that I can read how this is so in the bible.

This means that God is three persons, not three gods. Technically, the doctrine of the Trinity states that in the one God is the person of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Each is not the same person as the other; yet there are not three gods but one.

How can we know this?  Because the bible tells us it is so.

This is similar in analogy to the nature of time. Time is past, present, and future. The past is not the same as the present, which is not the same as the future. But, there are not three times.  There is only one thing called time. 

Now this is not explained in the bible.

The reason the word "person" is used in describing the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is because each exhibits attributes of personhood—not in a body of flesh and bones, but in personality.  In other words, each has a will, loves, speaks, is aware of others, communicates with others, etc.  These are attributes of personhood and we see the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit each demonstrate these qualities.

How can we know this?  Very simply it says so in the bible.

It goes on and on like this.  I'd like to do another thread about what the Koran tells us god is and how god is.  But that would be pointless.  It's as pointless a Christianity is.  The points that CARM makes are fantasy.


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21 March 2007 00:09

It is amazing how people can totally surrender their mental faculties and blindly accept some words written centuries ago.

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21 March 2007 09:41

god (n) - craptacular idea created centuries ago by douchebags in robes as a means of controlling mankind and f*cking up their evolutionary progress over and extended period of time

Lame Duck
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05 May 2008 14:43


the guy at CARM has a radio show or you can call in and bring up your objections.  Why don’t you do that?

He loves to talk to atheists and, more often than not, they don’t come away looking too good.

Do you care to take up the challenge?

I would love to hear the dialogue.

go to http://www.carm.org/radio.htm

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10 November 2012 22:15

Is it even right for us to ask this question? Are our ways and deeds not bad? Yes, there is God and God is love. We need love inside us before we can know of its existence. An informational article here-  http://www.worldtransformation.com/is-there-a-god/ might be of help to non believers.

[ Edited: 17 November 2012 01:42 by topsy]
Rami Rustom
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11 November 2012 15:13
topsy - 10 November 2012 10:15 PM

Is it even right for us to ask this question?

I’ll rephrase your question (tell me if I’m wrong): Is it immoral to ask a question? Of course not. Asking questions is good (aka moral). Asking questions is part of creating knowledge—i.e. creating solutions to problems—i.e. resolving conflicts.

How else is someone supposed to decide which theory is the right theory that explains the origin of the universe and evolution and people?

topsy - 10 November 2012 10:15 PM

Are our ways and deeds not bad?

Me? No, not that I know of. If I knew I was doing something bad, I’d stop doing it.

Ice Monkey
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20 December 2012 14:01
topsy - 10 November 2012 10:15 PM

Is it even right for us to ask this question? Are our ways and deeds not bad? Yes, there is God and God is love. We need love inside us before we can know of its existence. An informational article here-  http://www.worldtransformation.com/is-there-a-god/ might be of help to non believers.

lol.  God is not love. 

Love is never jealous.
God is a jealous god.
Therefore, god is not love.

He’s as useless as his “son”.